A question to non trinity believers

A simple reasoning

According to non trinitarians Jesus came after the Father. So Father is the first being and Jesus is the second being in this universe.

Father claims “I am the first, and I am the last;” and Jesus also claims “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

Is it not a lie; When Jesus being the second person in this universe and first being God the Father how can He claim that He is first like God the Father.

Also God the Father claims “beside me there is no God.”; Bible says that Jesus is God.

Where is the error here. Is it with Trinity or non trinity?

Frequently Asked Questions on Trinity

There are 4 types of doctrines on God

1. SDA and other protestant churches- Believe all 3 persons of Godhead Father, Son and Holy Ghost existed throughout eternity. They are coequal and co-eternal

2. Catholics – Believe God the Father alone existed throughout eternity; Jesus came out of Father; Holy Spirit came out of both Father and Son

3. Arians like Jehovah Witnesses – Believe that God the Father alone existed throughout eternity; Jesus Christ is the first creation of God and Holy Spirit is the Power of God.

4. Semi – Arians like WCG, CLG – Believe that Jesus came out of Father and Holy Spirit is another form of Jesus.

I have tried to cover most of the questions on trinity. Will try to add more questions and answers on this topic.

1. Is Jesus equal with God?

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped (something which has to be possessed), but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross! ! Phil 2:6-8 NIV (1984 edition) Emphasis by me

Paul tells that Jesus left His equality with God and humbled Himself to a lower position

2. Is not Jesus came out of Father because Bible calls Him as begotten?

God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Acts 13:33

The word begotten does n’t necessarily mean ‘gave birth to’. Paul says that Jesus was begotten in that he hath raised up Jesus. For the plan of salvation Jesus, the second person in the Godhead, offered Himself to die as penalty for Sin. It is decided that God will raise up Jesus after His death; in this Jesus was begotten by God as His Son.

Paul didn’t gave birth to anyone but see how he uses the word begotten

For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 1 Cor 4:15

I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds: Phi 1:4

The proclamation in Heb 1:5 shows that Jesus and God existed without the Father and Son relationship before God announced Jesus that He will be His Son.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:5

3. Is not Bible call Jesus as the only begotten son of God. When Jesus is the only person whom God gave birth to and rest were created?

By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son Heb 11:17

Isaac is called as the only begotten son of Abraham when Abraham had another son.

4. Is not Jesus the first born of all creatures?

if you see verses like James 1:18 tells us that the firstfruit among someone need not be the literal first person it can be the best among them.

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. James 1:18

Another example is when 144000 are called the firstfruits among saved.

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. Revelation 14:4

Now if we take the firstfruits to be literal first persons the above passages will give us a contradiction.

Few more examples is when David is called as firstborn among Kings. Psa 89:27 Here the firstborn does not mean that the firstperson who was born as king.

Jesus is called as first born among creatures in col 1:15; does that mean he is the first ‘born’ creation no instead both the passages tell us that they are the best. David among Kings and Jesus among all beings.

After arriving at the conclusion that the firstfruit and firstborn can be the best instead of literal first person let us read

All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the firstfruits of them which they shall offer unto the LORD, them have I given thee. Numbers 18:12

Here the best of the oil, the best of the vine and of the wheat are called the first fruits.

Even though Moses Jud 9 and 24 elders Mat 27:52, 53 had resurrected before Jesus; Jesus is the first fruit among them because he is the best.

5. Why He is considered as a creature in Col 1:15

The reason being; He became a created being; From someone equal with God; He created Himself to be a humble being.

We know from John 1:3 that Jesus created Himself.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

All created things are created by him; There is no created thing which is not created by him. If Jesus is a created being then logically according to John 1:3 Jesus created Himself.

6. Is not Jesus the beginning of creation of God (Rev 3:14) ?

Answer to question 5 answers question 6 also. Jesus created himself to be an Angel Michael -the first created being.

7. Is not Holy Spirit the spirit of God and not a separate being?

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Rom 8:26,27

The Holy Spirit makes intercession for the saints and God hears what the Spirit is praying for He (Spirit) makes intercession according to the will of God.

8. Does not Bible refer the Father alone as God?

It does always refer Father as God. It is because the triune Godhead foresaw the rise of sin and decided to put forth the plan of redemption. Sin is the transgression of God’s law. God’s law is expression of His Character. Opposite to God’s character is evil. Sin is evil. The plan of redemption is this. God made universal law which is the expression of His character. As long as the created beings reflect His character of love there will be universal peace and harmony among His subjects. When His Laws are broken then there will be chaos and sufferings. These 3 eternal beings foresaw that. So one of them became an Angel called Michael. He is the Chief of all Angels – The Archangel. He will be subject to the law and serve God and set an example to others. When other created beings see that God Himself is subject to the law and will learn how delightful and mandatory it is. The third person of Godhead will work from the heart of create beings and help them to obey the law and reflect God’s character. He will be the representative of Godhead among living beings. Christ will be the representative of living beings in the Godhead.

Psalms 2 teaches us this

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

(It talks about the rise of sin)

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

(It talks about the plan of salvation made)

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.

(The plan of salvation is made and Jesus was begotten as son for the plan of Salvation. Jesus will die as penalty: and God would raise Jesus from dead. Also refer question # 2)

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

(Holy Spirit speaking here; This speaks of the role of Holy Spirit; He brings people to God and warn them of Judgement)

9. Did not Isaiah tells that besides God there is no other God?

If you use that statement to teach that Jesus is not God then we will be contradicting lot of other statements.For example John 1:1 says that Jesus is God. In Isa 43 the Godhead is speaking for themselves addressing with the common name Jehovah.

In Isaiah God claims that “I am the first, and I am the last;” and Jesus also claims “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

10. How do we know that there 3 persons in Godhead?

2 cor 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Matthew 28 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the… Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 3 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1 John 5 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.(Is it true that 1 John 5:7 is not in any Greek manuscript before the 1600s? If it is true, why is it there in the King James Bible? (Check: http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/1john57.asp)

11. Did not Jesus promise to return as another comforter which is Holy Spirit. It is Jesus Himself who came since He promised to return?

John 14 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (Jesus is a comforter and He is sending another comforter)

John 16 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. .. 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear [from Father] , that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. (Holy Spirit takes from Jesus and speaks)

Jesus said when His discplies saw Jesus they saw the Father similiarly Jesus abides with us through the third person of Godhead – Holy Spirit who is His representative. That is why He is called as the Spirit of Jesus.

What Bible says about Ellen White?

Many think that the Bible is silent about Ellen White. But I see at-least 3 verses talking about Ellen White.

1. Ellen White announcing the entry of Christ into the most holy place in heavenly sanctuary and the judgement?

Behold, I will send my messenger (Ellen White), and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(Most holy place where the judgement starts), even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. Mal 3: 1-3

2. The prophetic role of Ellen White at the end time in which her work turns people to God?

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. Mal 4:5, 6

3. Identification of the God’s church in the last days. Keeping of commandments of God and a prophet.

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17

(the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev 19:10; Rev 22:19)

Who are 144000?

First we will see what Bible says on this topic and then we will end with Spirit of Prophecy quotes supporting it.

The book of Revelation chapter 6 ends with a serious question. The question is verse 17 “For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”

Who will be able to stand the wrath of God as described in the previous verses 14-16 ” And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: ” Psa_76:7, Psa_130:3-4; Joe_2:11; Mal_3:2

The describing of hurting of the earth is further continued in Rev 7. It tells the hurting won’t start until the 144000 is sealed.

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Once the 144000 is sealed the wrath of God is poured upon the earth.

Who are these 144000 and why God seals them before pouring of the wrath of God?

Rev 14 tells us the characteristics of these 144000.

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. Rev 14:1,3-5

i) The 144000 had a unique experience which no other human had and they sing this experience as a song which no other man could learn. For only they had this experience.

ii) They are faultless before the throne of God i.e., they are without sin

iii) They perfectly reproduce the character of Jesus.

iv) Once 144000 is sealed the wrath of God falls on this earth

v) Only 144000 is able to stand the wrath of God.

The sealing of 144000 starts the wrath the God; The beginning of wrath of God on wicked man also signifies the end of probation for mankind.

Rev 15 tells that Jesus ends his intercessory ministry in the sanctuary which signifies the end of probabtion for mankind.

” And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.” Rev 15:7,8

Also Rev 22 tells of a period of time when no human could repent of his sins anymore

“He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” Rev 22:11

Why God raises this 144000?

After satan overcame man God promised that the seed of the woman (The Church) will bruise Satans head.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:15

Christ lived a sinless life and died as the penalty for the sins of human race. Paul says that God will bruise satans head under the feet of the saints in future.

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly Rom 16:20

God will bruise Satans head by preparing a people for Him (14400) who will live a sinless life under all circumstances and there by overcome Satan just like Christ overcame Him.

Spirit of Prophecy quotes on 144000 and close of probation:

Great Controversy, pages 648/ 649, “Upon the crystal sea before the throne, that sea of glass as it were mingled with fire, –so resplendent is it with the glory of Elohim, –are gathered the company that have “gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name.”[1 REV. 15:2]…. And they sing “a new song” before the throne…. it is the song of their experience,–an experience such as NO OTHER COMPANY have EVER HAD…. they have stood WITHOUT AN INTERCESSOR through the FINAL OUTPOURING of Elohim’s judgements….They have seen the earth wasted with famine and pestilence, the sun having power to scorch men with great heat.”

The seal of the living God will be placed upon those only who bear a likeness to Christ incharacter.–7BC 970 (1895).

Those who receive the seal of the living God and are protected in the time of trouble must reflect the image of Jesus fully.–EW 71 (1851).

Just before we entered it [the time of trouble], we all received the seal of the living God. Then I saw the four angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion.–7BC 968 (1846).

I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer’s inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, “It is done.”–EW 279 (1858).

So once the 144000 is numbered and sealed the probation closes.

Is the number 144000 symbolic or literal

In EW p279 Ellen White writes that the 144000 is numbered.

Also we see in EW p15 ““Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming. The LIVING SAINTS, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake.””

Rev 7 says that 144000 from Israel and people confuse this with the nation of Israel. In Bible the seed of Abraham is the people of promise and not of genetics.

“For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh [literal Israel], these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise [to Abraham as fulfilled in Jesus] are counted for the seed…. not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles… As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people [these]… shall they be called the children of the living Elohim.” – Rom. 9:6, 23-26.

John the Baptist says God can raise seed of Abraham from the stones.

Israel means overcomer. God will raise the 14400 among the overcomers.

In Conclusion:

“Let us strive with all the power that God has given us to be among the hundred and forty-four thousand. And let us do all that we can to help others to gain heaven.”– Review and Herald, March 9, 1905.

The History of Jehovah Witnesses

 
The below history is taken from the book “Our Friends: The Jehovah Witnesses”

*1874. Pastor Russell and his group of Bible Students are disappointed when Christ did not return as expected.

*1878. They are again disappointed when the Resurrection does not take place but then teach that both events did take place – but were invisible.

1879. Zion’s Watchtower and Herald of Christ’s Presence commenced to teach these new found ‘truths’.

1886. First volume of the Millennial Dawn series published. Later called Studies in the Scriptures.

*1914. Armageddon and the End of the World does not take place nor any of the other events as foretold.

*1915. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob etc. are not resurrected as predicted.

1916. Pastor Russell dies and is succeeded as president by Judge J.F. Rutherford.

1917. The Finished Mystery confirms the *1874 and *1878 dates. It foretells the *1918, *1920 and *1925 dates.

*1918. Christendom and its churches were not destroyed as foretold.

*1920. The republics did not disappear as had been foretold.

Millions Now Living Will Never Die, foretells the resurrection in * 1925 of Abraham and the Princes of old.

1924. The Way to Paradise foretells how after* 1925 people can call up Abraham in Jerusalem and apply to have their loved ones resurrected.

*1925. It had prophesied that in 1925 theKingdom would be set up on the earthand Abraham, Isaac and Jacob etc.would be resurrected to administer it. The mansion “Beth Sarim” (shown in the above picture) was built in California for them to occupy eventhough the book The Way to Paradisep. 225 had described how Abraham would live. None of the foretold events come to pass.

1928. The pyramid prophecies condemned

(During the decade well over 100 teachings of “truth” have been discarded or altered.)

1929. Beth Sarim is built.

1931. The name Jehovah’s Witnesses adopted.

1935. Vaccinations condemned.

1942. Rutherford dies in Beth Sarirn. N. H. Knorr becomes president.

1945. Blood transfusions begin to be condemned.

1950. THE NEW WORLD BIBLE

The first edition of the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures appeared in 1950. It was the work of their own Translation Committee. Only one, Fred Franz, had sufficient knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt a translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years but was only self taught in Hebrew.

They used the master Greek text of Westcott and Hort which is based on only 5% of the manuscripts which included the Vaticanus and Sinaticus. These two corrupted manuscripts commissioned by Constantine leave out thousands of words and whole clauses. They contained the Aprocrapha which supports prayers for the dead.

Westcott and Hort did not believe in teachings such as Creation, Heaven, the Second Coming, miracles or inviting people to receive Christ as Savior.

On the other hand they believed in Mary worship, prayers for the dead, purgatory, communism, in contacting demons, and decided between variant readings on the basis of their “inner consciousness”.

The New World Bible is described as a “biased” translation. (And not original manuscripts as many believe)

1952. Vaccinations are now allowed, but not blood transfusions.

1966. Baptisms are at an all time low so the new date of *1975 is set for the End.

1967. Organ transplants are termed “cannibalism” and forbidden.

1969. The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures. It reveals many contradictions and errors in the New World Bible.

1972. April 1, Watchtower, claims the Watchtower Society is Jehovah’s Prophet.

*1975. “The wicked world’s end” does not come as expected.

1977. N. H. Knorr dies after witnessing the devastating effect of the *1975 date failure. He is succeeded by Frederick W. Franz.

1978. The Society suffers a -1.4% membership loss as a result of *1975.

1980. Organ transplants allowed.

1983. Raymond Franz writes Crisis of Conscience. It destroys faith in the organization, as it reveals many ‘inside’ problems and errors.

THE 1914 GENERATION

For many years the Watchtower Society taught Armageddon would occur within a generation of 1914. The following illustration was often used in its publications: Some of the people of 1914 will live to see the end

1984. The Watchtower, May 15 has an article, 1914 – The Generation That Will Not Pass Away. It is still teaching that the End will come within a generation from 1914.

1989. You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth (1989 ed.) page 154, has this illustration: People of 1914 will see the end.

1995 The 1914 Generation are now over 80 years of age. The Biblical “lifetime” – (not merely “generation”) of “threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years…” (Psalms 90:10) had now been exceeded. Again the Society is in trouble. So in The Watchtower, November 1, page 17, it announced: “…the term ‘generation’ as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period…”

1996. With this new “truth” the urgency of the generation limitation was gone and worldwide service hours dropped this year by 10 million.

2001. Membership increase only 1.7%. Service figures the lowest in years.

2002. Many European countries reporting losses.

2003. Only 258,845 baptised. This is the lowest figure for 15 years.

 

Forgotten truths from Genesis 2 account of Sabbath.

“Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” says God blessed the 7th day and sanctified it (set is apart for holy purpose) after he had rested from all his work. We can say that He sanctified the day and blessed it on the 1st day of 2nd week.

If the 7th day is not going to be a day of worship and a holy day then there is no real meaning of sanctifying and blessing it after He had rested on that day.

Sabbath was made for mankind Mark 2:27 as a sign of creation. That is why we have 130plus cultures where the 7th day is called as Sabbath.

Also there are cultures where they have kept Sabbath historically without any relationship to Bible. For example Nepal’s national holiday is saturday. In India there is a scheduled tribe which has no connection to the outside world and they keep every 7thday as holy day.

According to reliable estimates, Africa has the world’s largest concentration of Sabbath-keepers, some 20 million people, of which only about three million are Seventh Day Adventists. The Sabbath is natural to Africans. The Sabbath is thriving in Africa because the Sabbath roots of Africa run deep, both in Scripture, and historical practice.

W. W. Oliphant, an African church leader in the early years of the twentieth century says that the “Sabbath in Ethiopia [has] been kept from the days of Nimrod, about 2140 B.C. (read Gen. 10:8, 10), that is 700 years before the birth of Moses. . . . Africans or Ethiopians had been Sabbath observers from the days of Nimrod” (Quoted in Bradford C.E. Sabbath Roots, The African Connection. L. Brown and Sons, Barre (VT), 1999, p. 26).

In Ethiopia in the fourth century, Frumentius reported:

“And we assemble on Saturday,” he continues ; “not that we are infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath” (Davis, Tamar. A General History of the Sabbatarian Churches. 1851; Reprinted 1995 by Commonwealth Publishing, Salt Lake City, pp. 41-42).

Notice some of the statements by Ethiopian Emperor Galawdewos (A.D. 1540-1559):

We do celebrate the Sabbath, because God, after He had finished the Creation of the World, rested thereon…and that especially, since Christ came not to dissolve the law but to fulfill it. It is therefore not in the imitation of the Jews, but in obedience to Christ, and His holy apostles, that we observe that day (Quoted in Bradford C.E. Sabbath Roots, The African Connection. L. Brown and Sons, Barre (VT), 1999, p. 26).

When God gave the 4th commandment He points to the creation account as a reason for keeping the 7th day Holy.

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.  Exo 20:11.

Can you see something interesting.. man takes rest after working in the day. Work comes first and a rest follows. Similarly we work throughout the week and rest in the end. I want you to seriously think this. If there was no sabbath until Sinai (as people teach) then man would have worked throughout the week without rest.

It is great thing for God to have created Sabbath isn’t it. So man can work and take rest also.

The great Planner planned it in that way. If God has not created sabbath there would have been no harmony on which day man would have gathered to worship. Each would have preferred a day for worshiping God. I am not talking about the personal devotion with God but the gathering of people to worship.

Luke recognized the 7th day as sabbath day because though he is gentile he always refer to it as sabbath day rather than calling it as Saturday (in his language). [it is ironical to see a non observer of sabbath for example a Baptist to refer Saturday as sabbath. He would refer it as Saturday. Only a sabbath keeper would prefer to refer it as sabbath instead of Saturday]

John says that he was in spirit on the Lord’s day. The only day Bible ever recognizes as Lord’s day is Sabbath.

Sabbath will be the sign of creation and a day of rest even in the new heaven and new earth. Isa 66:22,23

Sabbath in the new covenant.

Those who advocate any day worship or Sunday worship should consider these facts. ( I am not against worshiping God on non sabbath days but I want to affirm that besides worshiping God on all the days we need to rest on His Holy day).

The primary argument for not keeping sabbath is “we are under new covenant”.

The new covenant was ratified by the blood of Jesus at His death.

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28

Bible tells us that the disciples of Jesus kept Sabbath after after they entered into the new covenant.

And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.  And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Luke 23: 54-56.

Also Sunday, the day of resurrection, cannot be the day of worship for the new covenant. We know that after a covenant is ratified we cannot add anything to the new covenant. Since the new covenant was ratified 2 days prior to the day of resurrection Sunday cannot be added to the new covenant as the day of worship.

Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Gal 3:15

Another evidence that Sabbath was still part of new covenant.

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Acts 13:42,44. The day Paul chose to gather ‘gentiles’ to share the gospel was on Sabbath. If Paul didn’t observe sabbath he could have asked them to come the next day or any other day in the week. He would have preferred not to ‘judaize’ the gentiles by gathering them on sabbath to share the gospel. 

We should also note that Luke recognized the 7th day as sabbath day  though he is gentile he always refer to it as sabbath day rather than calling it as Saturday (in his language).[ If Luke was not observing Sabbath then it would be ironical to see a non observer of sabbath for example a Baptist to refer Saturday as sabbath. He would refer it as Saturday. Only a sabbath keeper would prefer to refer it as sabbath instead of Saturday]

John says that he was in spirit on the Lord’s day. The only day Bible ever recognizes as Lord’s day is Sabbath.

Sabbath will be the sign of creation and a day of rest even in the new heaven and new earth. Isa 66:22,23

 We don’t keep sabbath to earn salvation but as obedience. Obedience is not legalism. Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments.

Sabbath before Old covenant (before Sinai)

We find that Abraham and Jacob paid tithe. But nowhere it is found in Bible that God commanded man to give tithe before Sinai. So we can only conclude that there was a knowledge of tithe but an explicit commandment to give tithe was not recorded. Similarly the events related to Sabbath and commandments for keeping sabbath are not recorded but we can conclude its existence and commandment to keep it prior to Sinai through these events and verses.

Gen 2 tells us that God blessed and sanctified (set is apart for holy purpose) because in that day He rested. He rested then He blessed that day and sanctified it. What is the purpose of God blessing and sanctifying a day which is already past? It is only because God wanted that day to be observed as Sabbath by humans. When God gave the 4th commandment He gives the creation as the reason for keeping Sabbath. He tells Israelites that God blessed that day and sanctified it. So they need to keep the Sabbath Holy.

And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. Gen 16:23

A very very key verse in understanding the sabbath existed even before Sinai. The Old covenant was declared and ratified in Sinai but Israelites were keeping sabbath even before the covenant was ratified. It only shows that Sabbath was not a new thing which was introduced in the old covenant but something which was existing and kept but forgotten.

Another key evidence is 130 plus cultures have named the 7th day as sabbath. It again shows Sabbath is something which was existing and kept but forgotten.

Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Gen 16:5

Why Ellen White cannot be a false prophet?

Today there is so much unsuccessful effort put to prove Ellen White as a false prophet. They misquote her, take her quote out of context, insert phrases which she never wrote and put all kinds of false charges.

In spite of all these efforts the Testimonies given through the end time prophet remains vindicated.

Ellen White with the 8 KG Bible.

Early in 1845, while in vision at her parents’ home in Portland, Maine, 17-year-old Ellen Harmon (later White) picked up their large family Bible and held it on her outstretched left arm for 20 to 30 minutes. The story was documented by J. N. Loughborough who interviewed those who witnessed the vision, including Ellen’s father, mother, and sister. The Bible (on display at the Ellen G. White Estate) weighs 18½ pounds (8 kilos) and was printed by Joseph Teal in 1822. W. C. White, Ellen White’s son, also reported hearing of the incident from his parents. There are other reports of Ellen White holding large Bibles while in vision, including an eye-witness account printed in Spiritual Gifts, vol. 2, pp. 77-79.

Such experiences should not be considered proof of divine inspiration, as prophets must meet the tests set forth in the Scriptures; but this experience, as well as other remarkable physical phenomena, were seen as evidence by many early Adventists that Ellen Harmon’s visions were of supernatural origin. http://www.flickr.com/photos/interamerica/5425628622/

This note is not to disprove all the charges but the focus is on why Ellen White cannot be a false prophet.

Rev 12 gives us the time line of the Christian church since the birth of Jesus Christ (v2) through the Dark Ages (v6) to the pilgrims moving to the new uninhabited land America  (v16)

Rev 12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Verse 17 tells us that the end time commandment keeping  church which comes after 1798 will have the testimony of Jesus.

Rev 19:10 tells us that  ” the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Compare this with Rev 1:2, Rev 22:9.

The end time church will have the spirit of prophecy or prophet compare (Rev 19:10 with Rev 22:9, here Spirit of Prophecy and Prophets are used interchangeably)If Ellen White is not the prophet of the end time commandment keeping church then who else.

For more Reference:

http://www.worldincrisis.org/Prophet%20of%20the%20End/prophet_of_the_end-1.html

Amazing truth about Michael the Arch Angel

Introduction

Michael is one of the angels whose name is given in the Bible. Lucifer and Gabriel are other the two angels whose name is given.

Michael is called the prince of Daniel. Daniel 10:21. There are many interpretations given by theologians to understand why Michael is called the Prince of God’s people.

“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people–everyone whose name is found written in the book–will be delivered. Daniel 12:1 NIV (Emphasis by me)

Why Michael is referred as the one who protects God’s people.

Jacob also talks about an Angel who redeemed him from all troubles.

The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. Genesis 48:16 KJV (emphasis by me). Note that ‘A’ in Angel is in uppercase.

Jacob is praying that ‘this Angel’ should bless the lads.

This Angel could be none other than Michael the great prince who protects God’s people (Dan 12:1)

An angel who was worshipped

And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? And the captain of the LORD’s host said unto Joshua,Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. Joshua 5:13-15

This angel accepts worship unlike other angels who warned humans not to worship them. Rev 22:8,9

Who is this angel who accepts worship

An Angel who was referred as God.

And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred. (Gen. 31:11-13) Emphasis supplied.

And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Gen. 32:27-30)

Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us. (Hos. 12:4)

Jacob said he wrestled with God, but Hosea said he wrestled with the “Angel.” They must be one and the same.

Who is this angel whom Bible refers as God.

An Angel who address Himself as Jehovah

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. (Ex. 3:2-4)

And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this?Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. (Jdg. 2:1-3)

Again we have an “Angel” speaking as if He is God, this time to quite a few people all at once.

And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. . . . This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. . . . This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us. (Acts 7:30, 35, 38)

Moses spoke with an Angel in mount Sinai. Is not it with God Moses spoke in Mount Sinai.

And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. . . . And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. (Gen. 22:11, 12, 15-18)

Is it God speaking here or an Angel?

And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me? (Gen. 16:9-13)

And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. (Gen. 21:17, 18)

And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: Gen 18:1-3

Twice we have the “Angel” of the LORD speaking to Hagar as if He Himself is the Lord.

Of the 3 men who visited Abraham one is Lord.

And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; 8Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. Gen 18:16-22

Who is this Angel who is called Jehovah and addresses as God.

Bible Calls both Jesus and John the Baptist as angels

Behold, I will send my messenger [mal’ak, the Hebrew word for “angel”], and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger [again, the Hebrew word is mal’ak] of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. (Mal. 3:1-3)

For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Mat. 11:10, 11)

As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. (Mark 1:2)

He began to speak unto the people concerning John. . . . This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. (Luke 7:24, 27)

Jesus Christ is the Chief Messenger (Arch Angel) of the Triune Godhead or Trinity.

The Hebrew word malak (found 103 times in the OT) simply means “messenger”,” and hence employed to denote any agent God sends forth to execute his purposes. It is used of an ordinary messenger (Job 1:14: 1 Sam. 11:3; Luk 7:24; 9:52), of prophets (Isa 42:19; Hag 1:13), of priests (Mal 2:7), and ministers of the New Testament (Rev 1:20).

Is Jesus and Michael are the same person

Paul says that Jesus will come with the voice of the Arch Angel “The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (1 Thessalonians 4:16).”

Moreover the meaning of the Michael is “One who is like God”. Bible tells us that Jesus is the one who is like God.

Hebrews 1: . . .”3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being

phi 2:6Who, being in the form of God,

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Conclusion

Michael is not a created being; but just another name of Christ, the second person of Godhead a.k.a Trinity. PreIncarnate Jesus assumed the role of the chief messenger (Arch Angel) of the God head.

Objections:

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1. Michael is just one of the chief princes. If it is Lord then He cant be just one of the chief princes.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Dan 10:13

Youngs Literal Translation translated Dan 10:13 like this

“‘And the head of the kingdom of Persia is standing over-against me twenty and one days, and lo,Michael, first of the chief heads, hath come in to help me, and I have remained there near the kings of Persia”

Michael is not just one of the chief princes but first of the chief princes.

2. By saying that Michael and Jesus are the same person you are saying that Jesus is a created being

Jesus Christ is not a created being but the creator of all things.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

Jesus Christ incarnated Himself to be a man that does not make Him as a human. He is the creator God who made Himself as the Chief Messenger of God Head a.k.a Trinity

Blessed Millennium- Is it in earth or in Heaven?

The only place we read about the Blessed Millenium is in Rev 20.

Let us do a verse by verse analysis to find where this millennium will be.

Verse 4 : And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Verse 4 tells us that the righteous will reign with Christ for 1000 years.

Verse 5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Verse 5 tells us that those who take part in the first resurrection will be the ones who reign with Jesus. Also it tells us that the wicked will be dead during the 1000 years.

verse 6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Verse 6 tells us that there will be a second death to the wicked. But the righteous who took part in first resurrection will reign with Jesus.

Verse 7-9,14: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

At the end of 1000 years there is a second resurrection where the wicked are resurrected to be punished with fire and the fire from heaven devours them. And this is called the second death.

So there are 2 deaths and 2 resurrections.

First death: For both Righteous and Wicked.

First Resurrection: Only for righteous

Second Resurrection: For the Wicked

Second Death: For the wicked.

To understand where the millennium will be we need to read 1 Thes 5: 16,17

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Those who take part in first resurrection and those who are transformed alive will be caught up together with Jesus in the clouds and will be ever with the Lord.

The millennium will be in Heaven.

John 14:2,3 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

When the saints are in heaven the earth will be desolate without any living creature except Satan.

Rev 20: 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

“I beheld the earth, and lo, it was without form and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger” (Jeremiah 4:23 -26)

This “great day of the Lord” will come “as a destruction from the Almighty” (Joel 1:15). “And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be as dung upon the ground” (Jeremiah 25:33).

At the end of 1000 years the new Jerusalem descend from heaven along with the saints

Rev 21: 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

It is this city after descending Satan tried to conquer

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them

Conclusion: The millennium will be in heaven but after 1000 years we will come back to the ‘New Earth”

Who are 144000?

First we will see what Bible says on this topic and then we will end with Spirit of Prophecy quotes supporting it.

The book of Revelation chapter 6 ends with a serious question. The question is verse 17 “For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”

Who will be able to stand the wrath of God as described in the previous verses 14-16 ” And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: ” Psa_76:7, Psa_130:3-4; Joe_2:11; Mal_3:2

The describing of hurting of the earth is further continued in Rev 7. It tells the hurting won’t start until the 144000 is sealed.

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Once the 144000 is sealed the wrath of God is poured upon the earth.

Who are these 144000 and why God seals them before pouring of the wrath of God?

Rev 14 tells us the characteristics of these 144000.

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. Rev 14:1,3-5

i) The 144000 had a unique experience which no other human had and they sing this experience as a song which no other man could learn. For only they had this experience.

ii) They are faultless before the throne of God i.e., they are without sin

iii) They perfectly reproduce the character of Jesus.

iv) Once 144000 is sealed the wrath of God falls on this earth

v) Only 144000 is able to stand the wrath of God.

The sealing of 144000 starts the wrath the God; The beginning of wrath of God on wicked man also signifies the end of probation for mankind.

Rev 15 tells that Jesus ends his intercessory ministry in the sanctuary which signifies the end of probabtion for mankind.

” And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.” Rev 15:7,8

Also Rev 22 tells of a period of time when no human could repent of his sins anymore

“He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” Rev 22:11

Why God raises this 144000?

After satan overcame man God promised that the seed of the woman (The Church) will bruise Satans head.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:15

Christ lived a sinless life and died as the penalty for the sins of human race. Paul says that God will bruise satans head under the feet of the saints in future.

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly Rom 16:20

God will bruise Satans head by preparing a people for Him (14400) who will live a sinless life under all circumstances and there by overcome Satan just like Christ overcame Him.

Spirit of Prophecy quotes on 144000 and close of probation:

Great Controversy, pages 648/ 649, “Upon the crystal sea before the throne, that sea of glass as it were mingled with fire, –so resplendent is it with the glory of Elohim, –are gathered the company that have “gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name.”[1 REV. 15:2]…. And they sing “a new song” before the throne…. it is the song of their experience,–an experience such as NO OTHER COMPANY have EVER HAD…. they have stood WITHOUT AN INTERCESSOR through the FINAL OUTPOURING of Elohim’s judgements….They have seen the earth wasted with famine and pestilence, the sun having power to scorch men with great heat.”

The seal of the living God will be placed upon those only who bear a likeness to Christ incharacter.–7BC 970 (1895).

Those who receive the seal of the living God and are protected in the time of trouble must reflect the image of Jesus fully.–EW 71 (1851).

Just before we entered it [the time of trouble], we all received the seal of the living God. Then I saw the four angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion.–7BC 968 (1846).

I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer’s inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, “It is done.”–EW 279 (1858).

So once the 144000 is numbered and sealed the probation closes.

Is the number 144000 symbolic or literal

In EW p279 Ellen White writes that the 144000 is numbered.

Also we see in EW p15 ““Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus’ coming. The LIVING SAINTS, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake.””

Rev 7 says that 144000 from Israel and people confuse this with the nation of Israel. In Bible the seed of Abraham is the people of promise and not of genetics.

“For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh [literal Israel], these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise [to Abraham as fulfilled in Jesus] are counted for the seed…. not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles… As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people [these]… shall they be called the children of the living Elohim.” – Rom. 9:6, 23-26.

John the Baptist says God can raise seed of Abraham from the stones.

Israel means overcomer. God will raise the 14400 among the overcomers.

In Conclusion:

“Let us strive with all the power that God has given us to be among the hundred and forty-four thousand. And let us do all that we can to help others to gain heaven.”– Review and Herald, March 9, 1905.

How long will Satan burn in Hell?

Satan will not only be burned up and devoured by fire He will also be brought to Ashes. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ASHES upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. Ezekiel 28:18 (Emphasis supplied)

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (WICKED WILL BE DEVOURED)

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

DEVIL WILL BURN FOR AGES AND AGES UNTIL HE IS BROUGHT TO ASHES AS MENTIONED IN EZE 28:18

The greek word forever should have been translated as ages and ages.

A proper understanding of hell fire can be learned from a similar hell fire in the past.

2 Peter 2:6—”And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly.”

The fire of Sodom and Gomorrow is the example of what will happen to ungodly. Morever the Sodom and Gomorrow fire is called as ETERNAL FIRE.

Jude 7—”Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.” (Emphasis supplied)

Also read the below links which will be a great help to you.

http://www.thetruthabouthell.net/

http://www.worldincrisis.org/Defending-God/defendinggod4.htm

Also to have correct understanding of entire Rev 20 please see the below link http://www.1000yearmillennium.com/

After all the other wicked burn satan burns further for ages and ages because. Eugene gives the below calculation in his book Deeper Final That the scapegoat (representing satan) bears the sins of the congregation in the Day of Atonement • That there have been an estimated 35 to 70 billion persons alive since creation • That if only 1 in 700 of 35 billion were saved at last, that would be 50 million • That if the Devil burned only two minutes for each of these persons, that would come to 190 years.

Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Matthew 10:28—”And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Please keep the above verses as key

Are there people alive since 1st century?

Seeing the Kingdom
Luke 9:27 says that some were standing there will not see death till the Kingdom come. Are there still people alive since He said that?? wow
Answer:
In Matthew 16: 28 Jesus says Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Immediately after this Matthew records the incident of transfiguration.

Apostle Peter writes in 2 Peter 1:16-18  For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.  For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.  And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

Peter says that he saw the second coming on the Mount of Transfiguration.  The only way that the Transfiguration could have been like the second coming is if Elijah represented the translated saints while Moses represented the resurrected saints.

The Greek word ‘see’ should be translated as perceived.

So Apostles perceived second coming in the mount of transfiguration. There is no disciples alive today.

Parable of Richman and Lazarus

Parable of Richman and Lazarus has two dead characters talking to each other. But other Bible passages say that Dead don’t now anything and they don’t communicate. Is there any contradictions in Bible. 

Please refer the the below link for verses which tells us that.

https://thegladtidings.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/problems-with-the-popular-christian-teaching-of-hell-and-death/

Bible also tells us that the Jews at the time of teaching believed in many Pagan teaching including reincarnation and eternal torture in hell.

One such example is Jews asking John whether he is the reincarnated Elijah to that John replies ‘no’ but Jesus tells us that John came with the spirit of Elijah,

And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No John 1:21

And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them Matthew 17:10-12

Second event is when the disciples of Jesus asking Him about a man born blind asking whether he was born blind because of his sins(in previous birth)

And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. John 9:2-3

Jesus sometimes meet them in their own ground. For example Jesus calls a gentile woman as dog (he is using the words of Jews to teach them a lesson)

Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs. Matthew 15:25-26

Apostle Paul also uses a similiar style of teaching. Dead cannot be baptised since they can’t choose salvation after they die and their probation is already closed. But Paul mentions that to teach them that there is resurrection of dead.

Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? 1 Corinthians 15:29

Jesus uses the pagan teaching of eternal torture in hell to teach Jews a lesson. Remember Jesus didn’t tell them that Lazarus was righteous and he deserved Heaven. Lazarus was just a beggar who lacked any earthly pleasure (symbolizing gentiles whom jews considered as ones lacking knowledge of true God) but will be provided the gospel and inheritance as seed of Abraham (He is shown sitting in bosom of Abraham) whereas the rich man who had all pleasures (symbolizing jews who had the law and prophets) will be denied Abraham’s bosom because they didnt believe in the law and prophets.

Magnified or abolished?

The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. Isa 42:21

Many teach that Jesus came to abolish the law. Did He?

Bible says he came to magnify the law and make it honorable.

How did He magnify it?

26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5

Also it says He made it honorable.

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19

(REMEMBER WHOEVER BREAK ONE OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND TEACH MEN TO DO SO SHALL BE CALLED THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD)

Some say to fulfill is to cease it from existence but please see the below verses to see how Jesus fulfills all righteousness.

13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. Matthew 3:13-15

Finally how to get eternal life:
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25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. Luke 10:25-28

Did Christ went and preached to the Souls in Prison?

‎1 Pet 3 :19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

The above verse is used to teach that Jesus went to hell to preach to the unrepented souls.

So the above teaching gives rise to the belief that there is a chance of repentance after death (something like purgatory teaching in catholism)

Let us examine this biblically.

The passage appears to teach that Jesus went to hell to preach to unrepented souls because of CUMBERSOME TRANSLATION.

Bible says once we die the next thing is judgement there is no second chance.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

A parallel verse to 1 Pet 3:19 is Psalm 142:7 Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for thou shalt deal bountifully with me.

So it does not mean Jesus preached to “spirit being without body’ which were in prison. Because David uses a similiar language ‘bring my soul out of prison’

When you are evangelizing what do you refer that to saving souls it means saving persons.

When was this preaching done which is being refered in 1 Pet 3:19, who did the preaching.

We need to study the whole passage which will give us the correct context.

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

In verse 18 it says Jesus was put to death but he was quickened BY THE SPIRIT. We need to note this very carefully. HE WAS QUICKENED BY THE SPIRIT. It is not in the spirit but by the spirit. It is Holy Spirit who resurrected Jesus. God the Father resurrected Jesus through His Holy Spirit.

In Verse 19 it says BY WHICH (by Holy Spirit) he (Jesus) went and preached unto the spirits in prision. What is prision here Paul says “bringing me into captivity to the law of sin.” David says soul out of prision. Prison here is the captivity of sin.

Jesus preached through Holy Spirit to the souls in the prison of sin. When did He preach them. Note nowhere it says Jesus went to these spirits after He is dead and in spirit He went. But verse 20 says
when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,

https://thegladtidings.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/problems-with-the-popular-christian-teaching-of-hell-and-death/

In this doc you can see that death is a period of unconciousness. For example

Eccl. 9:5,6,10 “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.Whatsoever thy hand finds to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither you go.

Psalms 6.5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Psalms 146.4 His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Job 14.10-15 But man dies, and wastes away: yes, man gives up the ghost, and where is he? So man lies down, and rises not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that you would hide me in the grave, that you would keep me secret, until your wrath be past, that you will appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my
change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee:

Where did the repented thief go?

Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
 
Jesus tells the repented thief that he will be in paradise. When is the question we need to find?
 
According to the translation it is on Friday after Jesus’ death.
 
But I believe the translation is wrong because of the following reasons.
 
Reason 1: Jesus Himself didn’t go to paradise.
 
Where is Paradise then.

2 Corinthians 12:2,4 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
 
The paradise is in third heaven. So what is third heaven, is it the same place where God the Father resides. (interestingly the evangelicals and pentecostals teach that Jesus went to hell after death) Also they teach that Paradise is under that earth.

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
 
Tree of life is in midst of the paradise of God.
 
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.  Rev 22: 2 (Paradise is the same place as new Jerusalem).
 
New Jerusalem is in heaven.
 
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:2
 
Conclusion: Paradise is heaven where God is.
 
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.  John 20:17.
 
Jesus Himself didn’t go until the third day after His death.
 
Reason 2: After death it is a period of sleep until the day of resurrection when people will resurrect unto eternal life or eternal damnation.
 
John 5:  28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,  29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 
1 Thes 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 
Daniel 12: 1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be  found written in the book.  2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
Eccl. 9:5,6,10 “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.Whatsoever thy hand finds to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither you go.
 
Psalms 6.5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
 
Psalms 146.4 His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
 
Job 14.10-15 But man dies, and wastes away: yes, man gives up the ghost, and where is he? So man lies down, and rises not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that you would hide me in the grave, that you would keep me secret, until your wrath be past, that you will appoint me a set time, and remember me!  If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee:
 
Job 3.11 Why died I not at birth?… For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest.
 
1 Thess. 4.14-17 “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him. vs. 4:13 “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.” Jesus will bring the sleeping saints home to heaven as well! He will raise them with a
shout, with the trump of God,
 
Acts 13.36 “For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, FELL ON SLEEP, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:”
 
Matthew 9.24 “He said unto them (the mourners), Make room: for the maid is not dead, but sleeps. And they laughed him to scorn.” “For they knew she was dead.”(see also Luke 8:53)
 
Deut. 31:16 Moses was told he would sleep with his fathers
 
1 Kings 2:10 David slept with his fathers
 
Daniel 12:2 after a time of trouble, Michael will arise and the dead will awake from the dust of the earth
 
Matthew 9:24 Jesus described the dead girl as sleeping
 
Matthew 27:52-53 after the resurrection of Jesus, many dead saints arose from their sleep and appeared to many
 
John 11:11 Jesus described the death of Lazarus as a sleep
 
Acts 7:60 when Stephen was martyred he fell asleep
 
1 Cor. 15:18 Paul describes the dead as asleep until the resurrection of the
dead

Note:

 Many people do not realize that the original Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts did not have any puncuation, no commas, periods etc. So the translated added the puncuation etc. based on their …own understanding of the the bible text. And in this case the text says: “And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.” But many bible scholars believe that the comma added after the word thee, is incorrect. There should be no comma there. Look how it reads if we remove the comma after the word thee and put it in after the word today. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee Today, shalt thou be with me in paradise. The additional scriptures you posted support and also confirms that the Lord Jesus was not telling him that he would be in paradise with him today…but rather He was saying truly I say unto you today, you will be with me in paradise.

True Church: How do we know it?

Bible says commandment keeping people constitutes the true church of God. Jesus when talking about His church says My sheep knows me and I know my sheep.

Joh 10:14  I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine

Joh 10:27  My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 2:3,4 says only christians who keep commandments of God knows Him rest of them don’t know Him.

The term ‘knowing’ in Bible refers to the relationship between husband and wife for example ‘Cain knew his wife and she conceived’ ‘Adam knew his wife’. Commandment keeping people know God as per 1 John 2:3,4 and thereby they constitute the Bride of God.

Also John 17:3 says eternal life is to know God. Bible says only commandment keeping people enter heaven Rev 22:14 and Rev 14:12.

False Church: In Mat 7:21-23 NKJV where a group of miracle healers says we did miracles and cast out demons in the name of Jesus and to them Jesus replies I never knew you because you didnt keep commandments. Remember Jesus knows only His bridal church.

A brief note on overcoming sin

Sin is the transgression of Law 1 John 3:4

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I(man) am carnal, sold under sin. Rom 7: 14

Carnal mind is not subject to the Law of God; Rom 8:7

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Rom 8:6

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

Jesus not only forgives (justification) our sins but also cleanse us (sanctification) from all unrighteousness

Some Powerful promises to remember

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Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,  Jud 24

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 2 Pet 2:10

Christ promises a crown to everyone who overcomes sin.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne Rev 3:21

Which Law are you talking about?

Do you know there are multiple laws in Bible? Moral Law, Ceremonial Law, Civil  Laws, Criminal laws, Health Laws, Law of Sin (Rom 7)

When Paul is talking about Law we need to see the context and identify which law he is talking about.

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Rom 7:14,22, 25

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty James 2:10 – 12

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2: 3-4

THE ABOVE VERSES TALK ABOUT THE MORAL LAW (TEN COMMANDMENTS)

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances (ceremonies); for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

(ceremonies is added by me)

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col 2:14, 17

The above verses talk about CEREMONIAL LAW which are shadow of ministration of Christ as sacrificial priest.

Now let us hear the wise man speaking

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.  Ecc 12:13

Thoughts on sports from Bible and Spirit of Prophecy.

“Satan has devised a multitude of ways in which to keep men from serving God. He has invented sports and games, into which men enter with such intensity that one would suppose a crown of life was to reward the winner.” Review and Herald, September 10, 1901.

While playing any game or sport, whether we admit or not, we have only 2 goals, That we or I should win and other one should lose? Secondly in many games the win comes always with a trick, be it a cricket ball bowlled with a spin tricking the batsman or a soccer player tricking the opponent by hitting it in unexpected direction. In mind games like Chess we plan and even trick to make the opponent lose? Doesn’t Satan plan to make others lose? Doesn’t Christ always plans to make everybody a winner? Even with the expense of bringing a loss to Himself? Whose spirit is ruling the motives we have when we play sports, Christs or Satans? –

Christianity is about turning the other cheek, esteeming others higher than ourselves and preferring honor for others rather than for ourselves. The Sports world is all about demonstrating superiorty, paybacks, and gaining honor for oneself or his team. Sports involve wasting lot of time and money which could be spent otherwise usefully.

Rom 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Phi 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they (athletes) do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we (Christians) an incorruptible.

“I cannot find an instance in the life of Christ where He devoted time to play and amusement. He was the great Educator for the present and the future life. I have not been able to find one instance where He educated His disciples to engage in amusement of football or pugilistic games, to obtain physical exercise, or in theatrical performances; and yet Christ was our Pattern in all things.” Fundamentals of Christian Education, 229.

“The public feeling is that manual labor is degrading, yet men may exert themselves as much as they choose at cricket, baseball, or in pugilistic contests without being regarded as degraded. Satan is delighted when he sees human beings using their physical and mental powers in that which does not educate, which is not useful, which does not help them to be a blessing to those who need their help. While the youth are becoming expert in games that are of no real value to themselves or to others, Satan is playing the game of life for their souls, taking from them the talents that God has given them, and placing in their stead his own evil attributes. It is his effort to lead men to ignore God. He seeks to engross and absorb the mind so completely that God will find no place in the thoughts. He does not wish people to have a knowledge of their Maker, and he is well pleased if he can set in operation games and theatrical perfonnances that will so confuse the senses of the youth that God and heaven will be forgotten.” Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students, 274-275.

The Spirit of Prophecy identifies sports as a form of idolatry. “I was told by my Guide: ‘Look ye, and behold the idolatry of My people, to whom I have been speaking, rising up early, and presenting to them their dangers. I looked that they should bring forth fruit.’ There were some who were striving for the mastery, each trying to excel the other in the swift running of their bicycles. There was a spirit of strife and contention among them as to which should be the greatest. The spirit was similar to that manifested in the baseball games on the college ground. Said my Guide: ‘These things are an offense to God. Both near and afar off, souls are perishing for the bread of life and the water of salvation.’ .. Testimonies, vol. 8, 52.

“A view of things was presented before me in which the students were playing games of tennis and cricket. Then I was given instruction regarding the character of these amusements. They were presented to me as a species of idolatry, like the idols of the nations.” Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students, 350.

“‘The value of time is beyond computation. Christ regarded every moment as precious, and it is thus that we should regard it. Life is too short to be trifled away. We have but a few days of probation in which to prepare for eternity. We have no time to waste, no time to devote to selfish pleasure, no time for the indulgence of sin. It is now that we are to form characters for the future, immortal life. It is now that we are to prepare for the searching judgment.·· Christ’S Object Lessons, 342.

In summary

“I do not condemn the simple exercise of playing ball; but this, even in its simplicity, may be overdone. “I shrink always from the almost sure result wlllch follows in the wake of these amusements. It leads to an outlay of means that should be expended in bringing the light of tntth to souls that are perishing out of Christ. The amusements and expenditures of means for self-pleasing, which lead on step by step to self-glorifying, and the educating in these games for pleasure produce a love and passion for such things that is not favorable to the perfection of Christian character. … “Is the eye single to the glory of God in these games? I know that this is not so. There is a losing sight of God’s way and His purpose. The employment of intelligent beings, in probationary time, is superseding God’s revealed will and ubstituting for it the speculations and inventions of the human agent, with Satan by his side to imbue with his spirit. . . . The Lord God of heaven protests against the burning passion cultivated for supremacy in the games that are so engrossing.” The Adventist Home, 499-500.

Problems with the popular Christian teaching of Hell and Death

Problems with the popular Christian teaching of Hell and Death .

a) Does man go to Hell or heaven as soon as he dies. Bible says the eternal life or condemnation will be given only after second coming.

John 5:  28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,  29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Thes 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Daniel 12: 1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.  2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

b) Is God a God of Love or not.

Is our God really a God of love?

If yes, then why He torments sinners for millions and millions of years without any relief?

If a sinner lives for 25 years; will a God of love and justice torment the sinner for 25 million years?

c)What is the wages for sin? What does Bible say as the wages fo sin?

Is it Death or eternal torment?

Jesus was punished on our behalf so we will not face the eternal death. The punishment He received for sins is death not torment in hell fire

If man can be burned up forever and ever then he should be immortal and possess eterlnal life already.

but Bible promises eternal life only after the day of second coming.

d) Bible tells both Satan and wicked will be destroyed forver. We will deal with the verses which appear to teach that wicked will burn forever and ever.

Rev 20:9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

When talking about the Fate of Satan in Eze 28: 18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.  19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (When righteous will have eternal life the wicked will perish, i.e., cease to exist)

e) After death, The dead know nothing, they will be in a state of unconsciousness.

Eccl. 9:5,6,10 “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.Whatsoever thy hand finds to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither you go.

Psalms 6.5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Psalms 146.4 His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Job 14.10-15 But man dies, and wastes away: yes, man gives up the ghost, and where is he? So man lies down, and rises not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that you would hide me in the grave, that you would keep me secret, until your wrath be past, that you will appoint me a set time, and remember me!  If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee:

f) After death, Bible calls it as a period of sleep. It is not a period of bliss or torment.

Job 3.11 Why died I not at birth?… For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest.

1 Thess. 4.14-17 “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him. vs. 4:13 “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.” Jesus will bring the sleeping saints home to heaven as well! He will raise them with a shout, with the trump of God,

Acts 13.36 “For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, FELL ON SLEEP, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:”

Matthew 9.24 “He said unto them (the mourners), Make room: for the maid is not dead, but sleeps. And they laughed him to scorn.” “For they knew she was dead.”(see also Luke 8:53)

Deut. 31:16 Moses was told he would sleep with his fathers

1 Kings 2:10 David slept with his fathers

Daniel 12:2 after a time of trouble, Michael will arise and the dead will awake from the dust of the earth

Matthew 9:24 Jesus described the dead girl as sleeping

Matthew 27:52-53 after the resurrection of Jesus, many dead saints arose from their sleep and appeared to many

John 11:11 Jesus described the death of Lazarus as a sleep

Acts 7:60 when Stephen was martyred he fell asleep

1 Cor. 15:18 Paul describes the dead as asleep until the resurrection of the dead

Antibiotic​s vs Garlic. Garlic wins. Read this article before taking your next medicine.

In the past 60 years, antibiotics have been critical in the fight against infectious disease caused by bacteria and other microbes. Antimicrobial chemotherapy has been a leading cause for the dramatic rise of average life expectancy in the Twentieth Century. However, disease-causing microbes that have become resistant to antibiotic drug therapy are an increasing public health problem. Wound infections, gonorrhea, tuberculosis, pneumonia, septicemia and childhood ear infections are just a few of the diseases that have become hard to treat with antibiotics. One part of the problem is that bacteria and other microbes that cause infections are remarkably resilient and have developed several ways to resist antibiotics and other antimicrobial drugs. Another part of the problem is due to increasing use, and misuse, of existing antibiotics in human and veterinary medicine and in agriculture.

Nowadays, about 70 percent of the bacteria that cause infections in hospitals are resistant to at least one of the drugs most commonly used for treatment. Some organisms are resistant to all approved antibiotics and can only be treated with experimental and potentially toxic drugs. An alarming increase in resistance of bacteria that cause community acquired infections has also been documented, especially in the staphylococci and pneumococci (Streptococcus pneumoniae), which are prevalent causes of disease and mortality. In a recent study, 25% of bacterial pneumonia cases were shown to be resistant to penicillin, and an additional 25% of cases were resistant to more than one antibiotic.

http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/resantimicrobial.html
 
Ways to prevent antibiotic resistance
The most important ways to prevent antibiotic resistance are:
Minimise unnecessary prescribing and overprescribing of antibiotics. This occurs when people expect doctors to prescribe antibiotics for a viral illness (antibiotics do not work against viruses) or when antibiotics are prescribed for conditions that do not require them.
Complete the entire course of the prescribed antibiotic so that it can be fully effective and not breed resistance.
Practise good hygiene and use appropriate infection control procedures.
 
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Antibiotic_resistant_bacteria?open
 
What is antibiotic resistance
Antibiotics kill or inhibit the growth of susceptible bacteria. Sometimes one of the bacteria survives because it has the ability to neutralize or evade the effect of the antibiotic; that one bacteria can then multiply and replace all the bacteria that were killed off. Exposure to antibiotics therefore provides selective pressure, which makes the surviving bacteria more likely to be resistant. In addition, bacteria that were at one time susceptible to an antibiotic can acquire resistance through mutation of their genetic material or by acquiring pieces of DNA that code for the resistance properties from other bacteria. The DNA that codes for resistance can be grouped in a single easily transferable package. This means that bacteria can become resistant to many antimicrobial agents because of the transfer of one piece of DNA.
 
http://www.cdc.gov/narms/faq_pages/3.htm
 
Now comes the super natural antibiotic – garlic – what happens when we treat antibiotic resistant bacteria with Garlic.
 
From http://www.rense.com/general18/garlicblastsworst.htm
 
Garlic Blasts Worst Antibiotic Resistant Bacteria

Microbiology researchers said the active ingredient in garlic combats two of the nastiest antibiotic resistant microbes faced by doctors and patients.
 
The ingredient, a substance know as allicin, has been found effective in killing off methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus — a microbe that has been especially troubling in skin and soft tissue wounds — and in inhibiting growth of vancomycin-resistant enterococci, an intestinal bacteria that causes considerable illness and deaths in hospital settings.
One significant advantage of garlic is that the bacteria do not seem to build up a resistance to it as they do to many modern antibiotics; “garlic does not seem to produce such resistant strains”  This also makes it potentially effective against hospital superbugs
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/mdd/v05/i04/html/04news4.html
http://www.medherb.com/Materia_Medica/Allium_sativum_-_Antibiotic_and_Immune_Properties.htm
 
Beautiful quotes from Ellen White on true Healing
“There are many ways of practicing the healing art, but there is only one way that Heaven approves. God’s remedies are the simple agencies of nature, that will not tax or debilitate the system through their powerful properties. Pure air and water, cleanliness, a proper diet, purity of life, and a firm trust in God are remedies for the want of which thousands are dying; yet these remedies are going out of date because their skillful use requires work that the people do not appreciate.”—5 Testimonies, 443.
“The transgression of physical law is the transgression of God’s law. Our Creator is Jesus Christ. He is the author of our being. He has created the human structure. He is the author of the physical laws, as He is the author of the moral law. And the human being who is careless and reckless of the habits and practices that concern his physical life and health, sins against God.”—Letter, May 19, 1897.
“God’s law is written by His own finger upon every nerve, every muscle, every faculty which has been entrusted to man.”—Letter, August 30, 1896.
“Health, strength, and happiness depend upon immutable laws; but these laws cannot be obeyed where there is no anxiety to become acquainted with them.”—Healthful Living, 18.
“The Lord has made it a part of His plan that man’s reaping shall be according to his sowing.”—Letter, May 19, 1897.
“To make plain natural law, and urge the obedience of it, is the work that accompanies the third angel’s message to prepare a people for the coming of the Lord.”—3 Testimonies, 161 [CDF, 69].
“It is the duty of every human being, for his own sake and for the sake of humanity, to inform himself or herself in regard to the laws of organic life, and conscientiously to obey them . . It is the duty of every person to become intelligent in regard to disease and its causes.”—Letter, December 4, 1896.
“God has formed laws to govern every part of our constitutions, and these laws which He has placed in our being are divine, and for every transgression there is a fixed penalty, which sooner or later must be realized.”—Healthful Living, 20.
“Our first duty, one which we owe to God, to ourselves, and to our fellow men, is to obey the laws of God, which include the laws of health.”—3 Testimonies, 164.
“The laws governing the physical nature are as truly divine in their origin and character as the law of the Ten Commandments. Man is fearfully and wonderfully made; for Jehovah has inscribed His law by His own mighty hand on every part of the human body.”—Letter, August 5, 1896.
” `Have I not a right to do as I please with my own body?’ —No, you have no moral right, because you are violating the laws of life and health which God has given you. You are the Lord’s property,—His by creation and His by redemption. Every human being is under obligation to preserve the living machinery that is so fearfully and wonderfully made.”—Letter, May 19, 1897.
“Our very bodies are not our own, to treat as we please, to cripple by habits that lead to decay, making it impossible to render to God perfect service. Our lives and all our faculties belong to Him. He is caring for us every moment; He keeps the living machinery in action. If we were left to run it for one moment, we should die. We are absolutely dependent upon God.”—Letter, October 12, 1896.
“The health should be as sacredly guarded as the character.”—Christian Temperance, 82.
“Proportionally as nature’s laws are transgressed, mind and soul become enfeebled . . Physical suffering of every type is seen . . Suffering must follow this course of action. The vital force of the system cannot bear up under the tax placed upon it, and it finally breaks down.”—Letter, August 30, 1896.
“Sickness is caused by violating the laws of health; it is the result of violating nature’s laws.”—3 Testimonies, 164.
“Health is a great treasure. It is the richest possession that mortals can have. Wealth, honor, or learning is dearly purchased, if it be at the loss of the vigor of health. None of these attainments can secure happiness if health is wanting.”—Christian Education, 35.
“That time is well spent which is directed to the establishment and preservation of sound physical and mental health . . It is easy to lose health, but it is difficult to regain it.”—Review, No. 39, 1884.
“Perfect health depends on perfect circulation.”—2 Testimonies, 531.
“Many have inquired of me, `What course shall I take to best preserve my health?’ My answer is, Cease to transgress the laws of your being; cease to gratify a depraved appetite, eat simple food, dress healthfully, which will require modest simplicity, work healthfully, and you will not be sick.”—Counsels on Health, 37.
“An aimless life is a living death. The mind should dwell upon themes relating to our eternal interests. This will be conducive to health of body and mind.”—Review, No. 31, 1884.
“God has pledged Himself to keep this living machinery in healthful action, if the human agent will obey His laws and cooperate with God.”—Letter, January 11, 1897.
“Let it ever be kept before the mind that the great object of hygienic reform is to secure the highest possible development of mind and soul and body.”—Christian Temperance, 120.
“Nature will restore their vigor and strength in their sleeping hours, if her laws are not violated.”—Solemn Appeal, 16.
“Close confinement indoors makes women pale and feeble, and results in premature death.”—Healthful Living, 61.
“Indulging in eating too frequently, and in too large quantities, overtaxes the digestive organs, and produces a feverish state of the system. The blood becomes impure, and then diseases of various kinds occur.”—Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 4, 133.
“The effects produced by living in close, ill-ventilated rooms are these: . . The mind becomes depressed and gloomy, while the whole system is enervated; and fevers and other acute diseases are liable to be generated . . The system is peculiarly sensitive to the influence of cold. A slight exposure produces serious diseases.”—1 Testimonies, 702.
“What influence does overeating have upon the stomach? —It becomes debilitated, the digestive organs are weakened, and disease, with all its train of evils, is brought on as a result.”—2 Testimonies, 364.
“The free use of sugar in any form tends to clog the system, and is not infrequently a cause of disease.”—Counsels on Health, 154.
“The liability to take disease is increased tenfold by meat eating.”—2 Testimonies, 64.
“Rich and complicated mixtures of food are health destroying. Highly seasoned meats and rich pastry are wearing out the digestive organs.”—Letter, November 5, 1896.
“Drugging should be forever abandoned; for while it does not cure any malady, it enfeebles the system, making it more susceptible to disease.”—5 Testimonies, 311.
“A neglect of cleanliness will induce disease.”—How to Live, Chapter 4, 61.
“Rooms that are not exposed to light and air become damp . . Various diseases have been brought on by sleeping in these rooms.”—How to Live, 243.
“Dwellings, if possible, should be built upon high and dry ground. If a house be built where water settles around it, remaining for a time and then drying away, a poisonous miasma arises, and fever and ague, sore throat, lung diseases, and fevers will be the result.”—How to Live, 246.
“If the clothing worn is not often washed, it becomes filthy with impurities which are thrown off from the body by sensible and insensible perspiration . . The pores of the skin absorb again the waste matter thrown off.”—How to Live, 242.
“When we do all we can on our part to have health, then may we expect that blessed results will follow, and we can ask God in faith to bless our efforts for the preservation of health.”—How to Live, 246.

Songs in the Night

“When trials arise that seem unexplainable, we should not allow our peace to be spoiled. However unjustly we may be treated, let not passion arise. By indulging a spirit of retaliation we injure ourselves. We destroy our own confidence in God, and grieve the Holy Spirit. There is by our side a Witness, a heavenly Messenger, who will lift up for us a standard against the enemy. He will shut us in with the bright beams of the Sun of Righteousness. Beyond this Satan cannot penetrate. He cannot pass this shield of holy light.

“Keep your wants, your joys, your sorrows, your cares, and your fears before God. You cannot burden Him; you cannot weary Him. His heart of love is touched by our sorrows and even by our utterances of them. Take to Him everything that perplexes the mind. Nothing is too great for Him to bear, for He holds up worlds. He rules over all the affairs of the universe. Nothing that in any way concerns our peace is too small for Him to notice. There is no chapter in our experience too dark for Him to read; there is no perplexity too difficult for Him to unravel. No calamity can befall the least of His children, no anxiety harass the soul, no sincere prayer escape the lips, of which our heavenly Father is unobservant, or in which He takes no immediate interest. The relations between God and each soul are as distinct and full as though there were not another soul upon the earth to share His watch care, not another soul for whom He gave His beloved Son.” — Steps to Christ, page 100.
 
 
“In the full light of day, and in the hearing of the music of other voices, the caged bird will not sing the song that his master seeks to teach him. He learns a snatch of this, a trill of that, but never a separate and entire melody. But the master covers the cage, and places it where the bird will listen to the one song he is to sing. In the dark, he tries and tries again to sing that song until it is learned, and he breaks forth in perfect melody. Then the bird is brought forth, and ever after he can sing that song in the light. Thus God deals with His children. He has a song to teach us, and when we have learned it amid the shadows of affliction we can sing is ever afterward.” –Ministry of Healing, page 251.
 
 
Job 35:10 says: “But none saith, Where is God, my maker, who giveth songs in the night?”

In Last days – We should refrain from eating meat – Where is it in Bible?

I was hearing a sermon though the preacher didn’t say this he was giving a hint which made me understand the subject line i.e., Where is it in Bible it says we should refrain from eating meat in the last days.

 In Lev 16:31 God said unto the people that the Day of atonement shall be a sabbath of rest unto them, and they should afflict your souls.

Again in Lev 23 it says 27Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. 28And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God. 29For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people. 30And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people. Note here whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

This is an interesting point.

  • We should afflict our souls during the day of atonement. We are living in the literal day of atonement.
  • Whichever soul is not afflicted will be cut off from among his people.

On the day of atonement Israelites afflicted by fasting. See how Daniel afflicted himself when praying for his people In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. Dan 10:2,3

Should we who live in the literal day of atonement afflict our souls for ourselves and our people.

And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. Exe 9:4

 Now let us see few Ellen White quotes and let us return to Bible again.

Now and onward till the close of time the people of God should be more earnest, more wide-awake, not trusting in their own wisdom, but in the wisdom of their Leader. They should set aside days for fasting and prayer. Entire abstinence from food may not be required, but they should eat sparingly of the most simple food.–CD 188, 189 (1904).

God is trying to lead us back, step by step, to His original design–that man should subsist upon the natural products of the earth. Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord meat eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view and endeavor to work steadily toward it.–CH 450 (1890).

Will whosoever doesn’t afflict himself during this literal day of atonement will be cut off from the people like Lev 23:29

 Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God’s people, to walk no more with them.–RH May 27, 1902.

What Bible calls when we eat flesh instead of afflicting?

 And in that day did the Lord GOD of hosts call to weeping, and to mourning, and to baldness, and to girding with sackcloth: And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die. And it was revealed in mine ears by the LORD of hosts, Surely this iniquity shall not be purged from you till ye die, saith the Lord GOD of hosts. Isa 22:12-14

An iniquity!!

This is just a study. Please share with me your opinions after considering this carefully with prayer.

Trinity in Bible

 

1. 2 cor 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

2. Matthew 28 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

3. Matthew 3 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

4. 1 John 5 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
(Is it true that 1 John 5:7 is not in any Greek manuscript before the 1600s? If it is true, why is it there in the King James Bible?

(Check: http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/1john57.asp)

5. John 14 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

(Jesus is a comforter and He is sending another comforter)

6. John 16 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. .. 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear [from Father] , that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

(Spirit can hear, He does not speaks of himself, that is why you don’t read much about Holy Spirit)

7. 1 cor 12 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

(The Spirit has Will )

Bible uses the word Godhead instead of trinity…

Colossians 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Acts 17:29

Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Guard Well the Avenues of the Soul

He who walks righteously and speaks uprightly, ….And shuts his eyes from seeing evil: ; Isaiah 33:15

I will set nothing wicked before my eyes; Psalm 101:3

The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.  Luke 11:34-36

It is by guarding the avenues of soul we protect ourselves from sinning. Friends TV is an entertainment by means of sin. If it doesn’t contain violence in the name of heroism or have sexual overtones in the name of love or mockery in name of comedy or promote sin in some form then it is not interesting. If you want to wear the image of Christ then you have to stop feeding your soul with TV.
 

“Keep thy heart with all diligence,” is the counsel of the wise man; “for out of it are the issues of life.” As man “thinketh in his heart, so is he.” The heart must be renewed by divine grace, or it will be in vain to seek for purity of life. He who attempts to build up a noble, virtuous character independent of the grace of Christ, is building his house upon the shifting sand. In the fierce storms of temptation it will surely be overthrown. David’s prayer should be the petition of every soul: “Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.” And having become partakers of the heavenly gift, we are to go on unto perfection, being “kept by the power of God, through faith.”

Yet we have a work to do to resist temptation. Those who would not fall a prey to Satan’s devices must guard well the avenues of the soul; they must avoid reading, seeing, or hearing that which will suggest impure thoughts. The mind should not be left to wander at random upon every subject that the adversary of souls may suggest. “Gird up the loins of your mind,” says the apostle Peter, “be sober, . . . not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: but as He which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of living.”

Says Paul, “Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.” This will require earnest prayer and unceasing watchfulness. We must be aided by the abiding influence of the Holy Spirit, which will attract the mind upward, and habituate it to dwell on pure and holy things. And we must give diligent study to the word of God. “Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to Thy word.” “Thy word,” says the Psalmist, “have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against Thee.”– Patriarchs and Prophets,” p. 460 .

The Chaff and the Wheat

Dear youth, cease to read the magazines containing stories. Put away every novel. . . . We would do well to clear our houses of all the story magazines and the publications containing ridiculous pictures –representations originated by satanic agencies. The youth cannot afford to poison their minds with such things. “What is the chaff to the wheat?” Let every one who claims to be a follower of Christ read only that which is true and of eternal value.We must prepare ourselves for most solemn duties. A world is to be saved. . . . In view of the great work to be done, how can any one afford to waste precious time and God-given means in doing those things that are not for his best good or for the glory of God?– The Youth’s Instructor, August 14, 1906 .

Is going back to original diet – Vegetarian diet Biblical? – 2

Excerpt from the part 1.

Spirit of Prophecy never says anything which is not in harmony with scriptures.  Is Going back to original diet Biblical? Through out the Bible we can see the principles of going back to the blue print.

Divorce is not in God’s original plan.
Polygamy is not in God’s original plan.
Meat Eating is allowed because of man’s lust. But God calls back to original diet.

https://thegladtidings.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/is-going-back-to-original-diet-vegetarian-diet-biblical

SOP Quotes on this.

God is trying to lead us back, step by step, to His original design–that man should subsist upon the natural products of the earth. Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord meat eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view and endeavor to work steadily toward it.–CH 450 (1890).

Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God’s people, to walk no more with them.–RH May 27, 1902.

Now and onward till the close of time the people of God should be more earnest, more wide-awake, not trusting in their own wisdom, but in the wisdom of their Leader. They should set aside days for fasting and prayer. Entire abstinence from food may not be required, but they should eat sparingly of the most simple food.–CD 188, 189 (1904).

The true fasting which should be recommended to all is abstinence from every stimulating kind of food, and the proper use of wholesome, simple food, which God has provided in abundance. Men need to think less of what they shall eat and drink of temporal food, and much more in regard to the food from heaven, that will give tone and vitality to the whole religious experience.–MM 283 (1896).

The power and danger of Thoughts

You are professedly the servants of Christ. Do you then yield to Him ready and willing obedience?Do you earnestly inquire how you shall best please Him who has called you to be soldiers of the cross of Christ?Do you both lift the cross and glory in it? Answer these questions to God. All your acts, however secret you may think they have been, are open to your heavenly Father. Nothing is hidden, nothing covered. All your acts and the motives which prompt them are open to His sight. He has full knowledge of all your words and thoughts. 

   It is your duty to control your thoughts. You will have to war against a vain imagination. You may think that there can be no sin in permitting your thoughts to run as they naturally would without restraint. But this is not so. You are responsible to God for the indulgence of vain thoughts; for from vain imaginations arises the committal of sins, the actual doing of those things upon which the mind has dwelt. Govern your thoughts, and it will then be much easier to govern your actions.Your thoughts need to be sanctified.

   Paul writes to the Corinthians: “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.” 

  When you come into this position, the work of consecration will be better understood….Your thoughts will be pure, chaste, and elevated; your actions pure and sinless. Your bodies will be preserved in sanctification and honor, that you may present them “a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.” You are required to deny self in little as well as in greater things. You should make an entire surrender to God…

Testimonies for the Church Vol. 3 Page 83-84

God alone can renew the heart

Far more than we do, we need to understand the issues at stake in the conflict in which we are engaged. We need to understand more fully the value of the truths that God has given for this time and the danger of allowing our minds to be diverted from them by the great deceiver.

     The infinite value of the sacrifice required for our redemption reveals the fact that sin is a tremendous evil. Through sin the whole human organism is deranged, the mind is perverted, the imagination corrupted. Sin has degraded the faculties of the soul. Temptations from without find an answering chord within the heart, and the feet turn imperceptibly toward evil.

     As the sacrifice in our behalf was complete, so our restoration from the defilement of sin is to be complete. There is no act of wickedness that the law will excuse; there is no unrighteousness that will escape its condemnation. The life of Christ was a perfect fulfillment of every precept of the law. He said; “I have kept My Father’s commandments.” John 15:10. His life is our standard of obedience and service.

     God alone can renew the heart. “It is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for His good pleasure.” But we are bidden: “Work out your own salvation.” Philippians 2:13, 12, A. R. V.

            The Work That Requires Our Thought

     Wrongs cannot be righted, nor can reformations in character be made, by a few feeble, intermittent efforts. Sanctification is the work, not of a day, or of a year, but of a   lifetime. The struggle for conquest over self, for holiness and heaven, is a lifelong struggle. Without continual effort and constant activity there can be no advancement in the divine life, no attainment of the victor’s crown.

     The strongest evidence of man’s fall from a higher state is the fact that it costs so much to return. The way of return can be gained only by hard fighting, inch by inch, every hour. By a momentary act of will, one may place himself in the power of evil; but it requires more than a momentary act of will to break these fetters and attain to a higher, holier life. The purpose may be formed, the work begun; but its accomplishment will require toil, time, and perseverance, patience and sacrifice.

     Beset with temptations without number, we must resist firmly or be conquered. Should we come to the close of life with our work undone, it would be an eternal loss.

     Paul’s sanctification was the result of a constant conflict with self. He said: “I die daily.” 1 Corinthians 15:31. His will and his desires every day conflicted with duty and the will of God. Instead of following inclination, he did God’s will, however crucifying to his own nature.

     God leads His people on step by step. The Christian life is a battle and a march. In this warfare there is no release; the effort must be continuous and persevering. It is by unceasing endeavor that we maintain the victory over the temptations of Satan. Christian integrity must be sought with resistless energy and maintained with a resolute fixedness of purpose.

     No one will be borne upward without stern, persevering effort in his own behalf. All must engage in this warfare for themselves. Individually we are responsible for the issue of the struggle; though Noah, Job, and Daniel were in the land, they could deliver neither son nor daughter by their righteousness.

Ellen White and her role in last days

“All who believe the Lord has spoken through Sister White, and has given her a message, will be safe from the many delusions that will come in these last days.” (3 SM 84)

In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue.” (5T 661)

“Sister White is not the originator of these books. They contain the instruction that during her lifework God has been giving her. They contain the precious, comforting light, that God has graciously given His servant to be given to the world.” (CM 125)

 “The written testimonies are not to give new light, but to impress vividly upon the heart the truths of inspiration already revealed. Man’s duty to God and to his fellow man has been distinctly specified in God’s word, yet but few of you are obedient to the light given. Additional truth is not brought out; but God has through the Testimonies simplified the great truths already given, and in His own chosen way brought them before the people to awaken and impress the mind with them, that all may be left without excuse.” (5T 665
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Many of our people do not realize how firmly the foundation of our faith has been laid. My husband, Elder Joseph Bates, Father Pierce, Elder {Hiram} Edson, and others who were keen, noble, and true, were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for the truth as for hidden treasure. I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly. Often we remained together until late at night, and sometimes through the entire night, praying for light and studying the Word. Again and again these brethren came together to study the Bible, in order that they might know its meaning, and be prepared to teach it with power. When they came to the point in their study where they said, “We can do nothing more,” the Spirit of the Lord would come upon me, I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages
                                                                          
we had been studying would be given me, with instruction as to how we were to labor and teach effectively. Thus light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, His mission, and His priesthood. A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made plain to me, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me.

     During this whole time I could not understand the reasoning of the brethren. My mind was locked, as it were, and I could not comprehend the meaning of the scriptures we were studying. This was one of the greatest sorrows of my life. I was in this condition of mind until all the principal points of our faith were made clear to our minds, in harmony with the Word of God. The brethren knew that when not in vision, I could not understand these matters, and they accepted as light direct from heaven the revelations given. (1SM 206, 207)

. “Our first conference was at Volney in Brother Arnold’s barn. There were about thirty-five present, all that  could be collected in that part of the  state. There were hardly two agreed.Each was strenuous for his views, declaring that they were according to the Bible. . . . Brother Arnold held tha t the 1000 years of Revelation 20 were in the past; and that the 144,000 were those raised at Christ’s resurrection. And as we had the emblem of our dying Lord before us, and were about to commemorate His sufferings, Brother Arnold arose and said he had no faith in what we were about to do, that the Sacrament was a continuation of the Passover, to be observed but once a year. “These strange differences of opinion rolled a heavy weight upon me, especially as Brother Arnold spoke of the 1000 years being in the past. I knew that he was in error, and great grief pressed my spirits. . . . The light of Heaven rested upon me. I was soon lost to earthly things. My accompanying angel presented before me some of the errors of those present, and also the truth in contrast with their errors. That these discordant views, which they claimed to be according to the Bible, were only according to their opinion of the Bible, and that their errors must be yielded, and they unite upon the third angel’s message. Our meeting ended victoriously. Truth gained the victory.” Spiritual Gifts, vol. 2, 97–99.

The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. “Where there is no vision, the people perish” (Prov. 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God’s remnant people in the true testimony.—Selected Messages,  1, p. 48

Is adventist church correct in its stand on Jewellery?

When Old testament people used Jewellery then why church is teaching against it.

Jewellery was used in old testament time for two reasons

1. They used it as money

God made all of the gold, silver, and precious jewels in the world, and He intended for them to have a practical use. Since even small amounts of these minerals are so rare and valuable, long ago they began to be used as money. Over time, people began wearing their money in order to impress others with their wealth. When shoppers went to the market to buy an expensive item, they would simply pull off one of their rings or bracelets to pay. After Rebecca had watered the camels for Abraham’s servant, the Bible says that he paid her in this way. “And it came to pass, as the camels had done drinking, that the man took a golden earring of half a shekel weight, and two bracelets for her hands of ten shekels weight of gold.” Genesis 24:22.When the children of Israel brought an offering to the Lord to build the tabernacle, they used the jewels they had received from the Egyptians. It was their money. “And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an offering of gold unto the Lord.” Exodus 35:22. (from the article how much jewellery is too much. see below for the link)

2. They wore their pagan Gods as Ornaments.

Remember Jacob asks his family to put away the earrings and strange Gods in their hand. Gen 35:2,4

Women in nature have desire to be beautiful. They desire to wear to Jewels so they appear beautiful. But Bible repeatedly says the true beauty is in the inward Character and not the outward appearance.

John, in the book of Revelation, describes the scarlet woman of sin (symbolising the false church) as “decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4. In contrast, the true church is depicted in Revelation 12:1 as a beautiful woman clothed with the glory of the sun. This woman is called the bride of Christ in Revelation 21:9..

Paul wrote, “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.” 1 Timothy 2:9, 10.

Peter wrote in much the same manner, except that he especially addressed Christian women who had unbelieving husbands. “Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.” 1 Peter 3:1-4.

Through Ezekiel, God symbolised His apostatised people, Judah and Israel, by two harlots named Aholah and Aholibah. His description of their bold ornamentation matched the lewdness of their conduct. “And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments.” Ezekiel 23:40.

 Hosea expresses the same thought when he describes the hypocrisy of Israel. Again, the unfaithfulness was well dramatised by a decorated woman. “And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the Lord.” Hosea 2:13.

What about wedding ring?

History gives us a very clear picture of the relationship between early church apostasy and the introduction of the wedding ring. The famous Catholic Cardinal, John Henry Newman, described it in 1845 in his monumental book Development of Christian Doctrine, p. 373: “Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward adornments to which they had been accustomed in their own. It is not necessary to go into a subject which the diligence of Protestant writers has made familiar to most of us. The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints … incense … candles … holy water … processions … the ring in marriage, turning to the east, images at a later date … are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.”

In the book Testimonies to Ministers, page 161, Ellen White makes the following statement on the practice of wearing a wedding ring (it was written to American missionaries in Australiawho were beginning to wear the wedding ring with the excuse that it would increase their influence with the Australians):

 “I feel deeply over this leavening process which seems to be going on among us, in the conformity to custom and fashion. not one penny should be spent for the circle of gold to testify that we are married. In countries where the custom is imperative, we have no burden to condemn those who have their marriage ring; let them wear it if they can do so conscientiously: but let not our missionaries feel that the wearing of the ring will increase their influence one jot or tittle.”

Wearing a wedding ring is called a “leavening process” that the prophet “felt deeply over.”

When we make decisons on wearing Jewels let us not rely on what we think or how we feel. Let all the decisions have a solid foundation of what would Jesus do or What is the principle underlying this or Thus saith the Lord. There is much safety in that.

Also read: http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/OnlineLibrary/tabid/106/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/447/IID/23/LNG/en/SC/R/Default.aspx?7=Jewelry:-How-Much-is-Too-Much?

Are medicines from Pharma industry reliable?

A CNN report says

Drug recalls surge

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Drug recalls hit a new record in 2009, with one company accounting for more than 1,000 of them.

Recalls of prescription and over the counter drugs are surging, raising questions about the quality of drug manufacturing in the United States.

The Food and Drug Administration reported more than 1,742 recalls last year, skyrocketing from 426 in 2008, according to the Gold Sheet, a trade publication on drug quality that analyzes FDA data.

One company, drug repackager Advantage Dose, accounted for more than 1,000 of those recalls. Even excluding Advantage Dose, which has shut down, recalls jumped 50% last year.

“We’ve seen a trend where the last four years are among the top five for the most number of drug recalls since we began tallying recalls in 1988,” said Bowman Cox, managing editor of the Gold Sheet. “That’s a meaningful development.”

The fast pace of drug recalls seems to be continuing in 2010. Drug recalls totaled 296 from January through June of this year, said Cox. “If we continue at this same rate, we could get 600 or more recalls by the end of the year,” he said. “That’s still a very high rate of recalls.”

Source: http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/16/news/companies/drug_recall_surge/index.htm?hpt=T2

McNeil Consumer Healthcare Announces Voluntary Recall of Certain OTC Infants’ and Children’s Products

http://www.jnj.com/connect/news/all/McNeil-Consumer-Healthcare-announces-voluntary-recall-of-certain-OTC-infants-and-childrens-products

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/business/02drug.html

McNeil Consumer Healthcare is initiating this voluntary recall because some of these products may not meet required quality standards. This recall is not being undertaken on the basis of adverse medical events. However, as a precautionary measure, parents and caregivers should not administer these products to their children. Some of the products included in the recall may contain a higher concentration of active ingredient than is specified; others may contain inactive ingredients that may not meet internal testing requirements; and others may contain tiny particles. While the potential for serious medical events is remote, the company advises consumers who have purchased these recalled products to discontinue use.

21 Children’s Tylenol Products Recalled

The makers of Tylenol are recalling 21 children’s and infant’s Tylenol liquid products manufactured between April 2008 and June 2008 from warehouses and retail stores as a safeguard against potential contamination.

In consultation with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, McNeil, a subsidiary of Johnson and Johnson (JNJ, Fortune 500), decided to “recall all product that utilized any of the raw material manufactured at the same time as the raw material that tested positive for the bacteria” as a precaution, adding that “the likelihood of a serious medical event is remote.”

According to McNeil’s statement, scientific literature about the bacteria suggests that ingesting a contaminated pharmaceutical product orally doesn’t trigger an infection, but use of products such as a nasal spray with the bacteria has lead to infections.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/24/news/companies/tylenol_recall/index.htm

Spirit of Prophecy comments:

“There are many ways of practicing the healing art; but there is only one way that Heaven approves. God’s remedies are the simple agencies of nature, that will not tax or debilitate the system through their powerful properties. Pure air and water, cleanliness, a proper diet, purity of life, and a firm trust in God, are remedies for the want of which thousands are dying…. Fresh air, exercise, pure water, and clean sweet premises, are within the reach of all with but little expense; but drugs are expensive, both in the outlay of means, and the effect produced upon the system.”—“Testimonies for the Church,” Vol. V, p. 443.

Also Read:

From http://www.ellenwhite.info/deaths-due-to-drugs.htm

Quite remarkable was the report by John Hopkins’ Dr. Barbara Starfield in the July 26, 2000 issue of JAMA. This report (“Is US Health Really the Best in the World?”) expressed concern that U.S. health falls way behind other industrialized nations. It summarized death rates from several causes in the following way:

Cause of Death Estimated Number
Nonerror, adverse effects of medications 106,000
Nosocomial (infections in hospitals) 80,000
Other errors in hospitals 20,000
Unnecessary surgery 12,000
Medication errors in hospitals 7,000
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Thus we have a modern, medical authority telling us that, despite today’s much rarer use of mercury, strychnine, and arsenic in medicines, we still have at least 113,000 (106,000 + 7,000) deaths a year due to medicinal drugs, with 93.8% of that number involving no errors whatsoever. In other words, nearly 1 out of every 20 people who die in the United States each year die as a result of a medicinal drug they receive.

Why the Numbers Could Be Higher

When we examine the study that Dr. Starfield based her 106,000 figure on, we discover that the picture may be better or worse than that. According to Lazarou et. al. in “Incidence of Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients,” deaths in hospitals due to properly prescribed and properly administered drugs range from 76,000 to 137,000 (JAMA, Apr. 15, 1998). 106,000 was but the average of these two numbers.

Lazarou’s study only considered serious Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) in its calculations, and excluded events considered to be possible ADRs. It also excluded events “caused by errors in administration, noncompliance, overdose, drug abuse, or therapeutic failures.”

The study defined a serious ADR as “an ADR that requires hospitalization, prolongs hospitalization, is permanently disabling, or results in death.” One can imagine that a serious ADR that was permanently disabling rather than fatal this year could be a contributing factor toward death in later years.

WARNING: New Evidence shows eating Fish is dangerous to health.

A federal study released explains for the first time the link between global mercury emissions and the contamination of tuna and other marine life in the North Pacific Ocean. The U.S. Geological Survey study documents the formation in the North Pacific of methylmercury, a highly toxic form of mercury that rapidly accumulates in the food chain to levels that can cause serious health concerns for people who consume seafood.

Source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=air-pollution-poisoned-seafood

 Also See:

http://www.usgs.gov/themes/factsheet/146-00/


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090501195628.htm


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/29/WARNING-New-Evidence-Shows-that-Mercury-Present-in-Nearly-ALL-Fish.aspx

Ellen White Quotes – 1

All who are under the training of God need the quiet hour for communion with their own hearts, with nature, and with God. In them is to be revealed a life that is not in harmony with the world, its customs, or its practices; and they need to have a personal experience in obtaining a knowledge of the will of God. We must individually hear Him speaking to the heart. When every other voice is hushed, and in quietness we wait before Him, the silence of the soul makes more distinct the voice of God. –  Ministry of Healing


Those who decide to do nothing in any line that will displease God, will know, after presenting their case before Him, just what course to pursue. – Desire of Ages


The Warfare against self is the greatest battle that was ever fought. Steps to Christ, p. 27


The strongest argument in favor of the gospel is a loving and lovable Christian. Help in Daily Living, p. 2


Not by painful struggles or wearisome toil, not by gift or sacrifice, is righteousness obtained; but it is freely given to every soul who hungers and thirsts to receive it. Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing, p. 18


The soul that is yielded to Christ becomes His own fortress, which He holds in a revolted world, and He intends that no authority shall be known in it except His own. A soul thus kept in possession by the heavenly agencies is impregnable to the assaults of Satan. Desire of Ages, p. 324


Often our plans fail that God’s plans for us may succeed. Help in Daily Living, p. 6


All true obedience comes from the heart. It was heart work with Christ. And if we consent, He will so identify Himself with our thoughts and aims, so blend our hearts and minds into conformity to His will, that when obeying Him we shall be but carrying out our own impulses. The will, refined and sanctified, will find its highest delight in doing His service. When we know God as it is our privilege to know Him, our life will be a life of continual obedience. Through an appreciation of the character of Christ, through communion with God, sin will become hateful to us. Desire of Ages, p. 668


The closer you come to Jesus, the more faulty you will appear in your own eyes; for your vision will be clearer, and your imperfections will be seen in broad and distinct contrast to His perfect nature. Steps to Christ, p. 44
God never leads His children otherwise than they would choose to be led, if they could see the end from the beginning and discern the glory of the purpose which they are fulfilling as co-workers with Him. Help in Daily Living, p. 11

Our heavenly Father has a thousand ways to provide for us of which we know nothing. Those who accept the one principle of making the service of God supreme will find perplexities vanish and a plain path before their feet. Help in Daily Living, p. 13


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own.  It is the privilege of every Christian not only to look for but to hasten the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, (2 Peter 3:12, margin). COL p 69

The conference

–Author unkown

 

Satan recently called a worldwide convention of demons to catch up with the strong and growing Christian Movement;
 
In his opening address he said, “We can’t keep Christians away from going to church.”
 
“We can’t keep them from reading their Bibles and knowing the truth.”
 
“We can’t even keep them from forming an intimate relationship with their saviour.”
 
“Once they gain that connection with Jesus, our power over them is broken.”
 
“So let them go to their churches; let them have their covered dish dinners, BUT steal their time, so they don’t have time to develop a relationship with Jesus Christ..”
 
 “This is what I want you to do,” said the devil:
 
 “Distract them from gaining hold of their Saviour and maintaining that vital connection throughout their day!”
 
 “How shall we do this?” his demons shouted.
 
 “Keep them busy in the non-essentials of life and invent innumerable schemes to occupy their minds,” he answered.
 
 “Tempt them to spend, spend, spend, and borrow, borrow, borrow.”
 
 “Persuade the wives to go to work for long hours and the husbands to work 6-7 days each week, 10-12 hours a day, so they can afford their empty lifestyles.”
 
 “Keep them from spending time with their children.”
 
 “As their families fragment, soon, their homes will offer no escape from the pressures of work!”
 
 “Over-stimulate their minds so that they cannot hear that still, small voice.”
 
 “Entice them to play the radio or cassette player whenever they drive.” To keep the TV, VCR, CDs and their PCs going constantly in their home and see to it that every store and restaurant in the world plays non-biblical music constantly.”
 
 “This will jam their minds and break that union with Christ.”
 
 “Fill the coffee tables with magazines and newspapers.”
 
 “Pound their minds with the news 24 hours a day.”
 
 “Invade their driving moments with billboards.”
 
 “Flood their mailboxes with junk mail, mail order catalogs, sweepstakes, and every kind of newsletter and promotional offering free products, services and false hopes..”
 
 “Keep skinny, beautiful models on the magazines and TV so their husbands will believe that outward beauty is what’s important, and they’ll become dissatisfied with their wives. ”
 
 “Keep the wives too tired to love their husbands at night.”
 
 “Give them headaches too! ”
 
 “If they don’t give their husbands the love they need, they will begin to look elsewhere.”
 
 “That will fragment their families quickly!”
 
 “Even in their recreation, let them be excessive.”
 
 “Have them return from their recreation exhausted.”
 
 “Keep them too busy to go out in nature and reflect on God’s creation. Send them to amusement parks, sporting events, plays, concerts, and movies instead.”
 
 “Keep them busy, busy, and busy!”
 
 “And when they meet for spiritual fellowship, involve them in gossip and small talk so that they leave with troubled consciences. ”
 
 “Crowd their lives with so many good causes they have no time to seek power from Jesus.”
 
 “Soon they will be working in their own strength, sacrificing their health and family for the good of the cause.”
 
 “It will work!”
 
 “It will work!”
 
 It was quite a plan!
 
 The demons went eagerly to their assignments causing Christians everywhere to get busier and more rushed, going here and there.
 
 Having little time for their God or their families.
 
 Having no time to tell others about the power of Jesus to change lives.
 
 I guess the question is, has the devil been successful in his schemes?
 
 You be the judge!!!!!
 
 Does “BUSY” mean: B-eing U-under S-atan’s Y-oke?

Be still, and know that I am God: Psalm 46:10
 

All who are under the training of God need the quiet hour for communion with their own hearts, with nature, and with God. In them is to be revealed a life that is not in harmony with the world, its customs, or its practices; and they need to have a personal experience in obtaining a knowledge of the will of God. We must individually hear Him speaking to the heart. When every other voice is hushed, and in quietness we wait before Him, the silence of the soul makes more distinct the voice of God. –  Ministry of Healing

 

Also read.

http://empoweredlivingministries.org/articles/BeStillandKnow.pdf

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Based on an article by Joe Crews with little editing by Me.

    There is a very important common theme running through this chapter. Almost every verse relates to the subject of judging, a problem which was most malignant in the early Christian church, even as it is in the modern church today. In order to understand the counsel given by Paul in Romans 14, we must first recognize the parties involved in the judging and the issues over which the judging was taking place. There were two main groups in the early church -the Jewish Christians who had been converted from Judaism, and the Gentile Christians who had been won from heathenism. These two groups did not get along very well. They were constantly judging each other. Now let’s notice what the division was all about. The Gentile Christians judged the Jewish Christians because they were eating meat which had been offered in sacrifice to idols. To the Gentile convert, such food was unfit to be eaten. Even though he was now a Christian, he could not forget how he once offered food to idols, and in his mind the eating of such food was connected to idol worship. The Jewish convert, on the other hand, had no such compunctions because he had always acknowledged only one God, and naturally felt no guilt about eating the meat which had been sacrificed to idols. It was sold in the market place at a cheaper price, and the Jewish Christians considered it a desirable bargain.

                Now let’s read the first few verses of Romans 14 concerning the brother who was weak in the faith. “Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him that eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant?” Romans 14:1-4. Can we, by comparing other Scrip- tures, locate the weak brother? Can we also locate the problem which created the “judging” situation? Yes, we can. Paul had to deal with it at considerable length in 1 Corinthians 10 and 1 Corinthians 8. Notice his description: “As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. … Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. … But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to them that are weak.” 1 Corinthians 8:4-9, emphasis added. Here we locate the weak brother of Romans 14:1-3. He was the Gentile Christian who felt that it was sinful to eat the meat which had been offered to idols. Paul agreed with the Jewish con- verts that there was nothing wrong with the food, since there is only one God after all. But he advised that the food not be eaten in front of the Gentile believers lest it be a stumbling block tothem. Compare this language with Paul’s counsel in Romans 14:13: “Judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.” In 1 Corinthians 8:11, 12, Paul asks this question: “And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.” Compare that statement with this one in Romans 14:15: “Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.” Also read Romans 14:21: “It is good er to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.” Obviously the accounts in Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 8 are referring to the same problem.

          Identical language is used in describing them, and the same judging was taking place in reference to the problem. One more point needs to be clarified. The meat in question was not “unclean meat” in the biblical sense. The question only revolved around food that was “esteemed” unclean by the Gentile Christians because it had been offered to idols. Actually, the heathen did not offer swine or other unclean animals in their sacrifices, as Acts 14:13 establishes. So when the Jewish Christians bought the food which had been offered to idols, it was not wrong in itself, as Paul pointed out. It became wrong only when it offended the “weak brother,” or the Gentile Christian, who esteemed it to be unclean through association with the idol. Some of the Gentile believers were so strong against it that they abstained from meat altogether and ate only herbs for fear they might eat some meat that had been offered to idols.

                           In Romans 14:1-3, Paul urges the Roman church to receive such people and honor their conscience. It was not a moral issue and should not be permitted to divide the church. By examining these apparent contradictions in the Bible relating to diet, we have also discovered the root of much theological confusion in today’s religious world. A simple understanding of the circumstances behind the writing enables us to grasp the words and phrases in their original format and to recognize the beautiful harmony and unity of Scripture. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother tooffend. 1 cor 8:13 compare this with But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died…. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. rom 14:15,21 Besides this Paul is talking about normal meat (Pure meat) For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. rom 14:20 He is not talking about the unhealthy and impure meat which we are eating now.

Are there intellectual beings in other worlds

Bible says there are other beings in other planets. First we should understand little basics on interpreting Bible Prophecies.

Figures always have a figurative meaning, and are used much in prophecy to represent future times, and events; such as mountains. meaning governments; beasts. meaning kingdoms; waters. meaning people; lamp. meaning Word of God; day. meaning year (Daniel 2:35, 44; 7:8, 17; Revelation 17:1, 15; Psalm 119:105; Ezekiel 4:6).
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little Isaiah 28:10

Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them. Isaiah 34:16

Bible says Angels and beings from other planets were witnessing creation.
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7
Who is this morning stars and sons of God?

As per below verses the stars are angels.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Revelation 12:4

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.Revelation 1:20
Now the sons of God should be beings other than angels.
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6
This I believe to be a representation of beings from their planets.

Does Bible Condemn celebrating Christmas

Bible is against celebrating Christmas. I believe we Adventist are aware of the Pagan origin of Christmas. That is why we shun Easter, Good Friday, Lent days etc.,

Leviticus 18:3

3After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Leviticus 10
1And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

2And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

3Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the LORD spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.

Exodus 32
4And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

5And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.

Though they worshiped Jehovah here God did n’t accept their worship since the worship is not in harmony with His principles.

 

 

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For the very same purpose he has concealed the precise day of Christ’s birth; that the day should not receive the honour that should be given to Christ as the Redeemer of the world, – one to be received, to be trusted, to be relied on as he who could save to the uttermost all who come unto him. The soul’s adoration should be given to Jesus as the Son of the infinite God.

There is no divine sanctity resting upon the twenty-fifth of December; and it is not pleasing to God that anything that concerns the salvation of man through the infinite sacrifice made for them, should be so sadly perverted from its professed design. Christ should be the supreme object; but as Christmas has been observed, the glory is turned from him to mortal man, whose sinful, defective character made it necessary for him to come to our world.

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Who is to compose the hundred and forty-four thousand. They who are the elect of God will in a short time know without question. My brethren and sisters, appreciate and study the truths God has given for you and your children. Spend not your time in seeking to know that which will be no spiritual help. “What shall I do to inherit eternal life?” This is the all-important question, and it has been clearly answered. “What is written in the law? How readest thou?”
The pagan Origin of Christmas.

http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/OnlineLibrary/tabid/106/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/447/IID/59/LNG/en/7/Baptized-Paganism/SC/R/Default.aspx

http://www.sdadefend.com/Standards/Christmas-1.htm

When Prayer for healing becomes presumption

“There are many ways of practicing the healing art; but there is only one way that Heaven approves. God’s remedies are the simple agencies of nature, that will not tax or debilitate the system through their powerful properties. Pure air and water, cleanliness, a proper diet, purity of life, and a firm trust in God, are remedies for the want of which thousands are dying…. Fresh air, exercise, pure water, and clean sweet premises, are within the reach of all with but little expense; but drugs are expensive, both in the outlay of means, and the effect produced upon the system.”—“Testimonies for the Church,” Vol. V, p. 443.

In many cases of prayer for the healing of the sick, that which is called faith is nothing less than presumption.
Many persons bring disease upon themselves by their self-indulgence. They have not lived in accordance with natural law or the principles of strict purity. Others have disregarded the laws of health in their habits of eating and drinking, dressing, or working. Often some form of vice is the cause of feebleness of mind or body. Should these persons gain the blessing of health, many of them would continue to pursue the same course of heedless transgression of God’s natural and spiritual laws, reasoning that if God heals them in answer to prayer, they are at liberty to continue their unhealthful practices and to indulge perverted appetite without restraint. If God were to work a miracle in restoring these persons to health, He would be encouraging sin.
Many have expected that God would keep them from sickness merely because they have asked Him to do so. But God did not regard their prayers, because their faith was not made perfect by works. God will not work a miracle to keep those from sickness who have no care for themselves, but are continually violating the laws of health and make no efforts to prevent disease. When we do all we can on our part to have health, then may we expect that the blessed results will follow, and we can ask God in faith to bless our efforts for the preservation of health. He will then answer our prayer, if His name can be glorified thereby. But let all understand that they have a work to do. God will not work in a miraculous manner to preserve the health of persons who are taking a sure course to make themselves sick, by their careless inattention to the laws of health. {CME 35.2}

Law and Grace – Part 1

What is Law?

for by the law is the knowledge of sin.  Rom 3:20

Romans 7:7 says I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1 John3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Mirror points out the dirt on our face, likewise Law shows us what is sin. It gives us the knowledge of what is sin.

Why we need grace?

Romans 6: 23 says For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This is the understanding of grace…….
Wages of sin(breaking commandments) is Death. Penalty for breaking the Law is Death.

But Gods grace forgives our sin i.e., the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. grace forgives us our sin and gives a chance to repent. so we wont sin anymore i.e., we wont transgress law anymore

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
When paul says we are not under Law it means we are not under the punishment we have to face for breaking the Law.
In the very next verse paul says Romans 6: 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Shall we break the Law(shall we sin) since we are under grace. God forbids. No.
To whom the Ten commandments (Law) is given?

First recorded in Sinai when given to Israelites but The Moral law was given to entire humanity from the beginning.

Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Gen 26: 5

‘Where no law is, there is no transgression,” “for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” Rom. l:15; 3:20. If Cain didn’t have knowledge of sin which is Law he wont charged with the penalty of sin which is breaking Law. for by the law is the knowledge of sin.  Rom 3:20

Joseph feared God because He knows adultery is breaking God’s Law. From where did he learned that committing adultery is against God. Only from Law.

“Sin is the transgression of the law,” says John. “I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shall not covet.” Rom. 7:7. And what law says, “Thou shall not covet”? The Ten -Commandment law.

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath Mark 2:27 Jesus says Sabbath was made for man He didn’t say Sabbath was made (only) for Jews.

From answers to objection by Francis F Nichol.

Objection:The very wording of the Sinaitic law proves that it was designed only for the Jews. The Ten Commandments is introduced thus: ‘I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee . . . out of the house of bondage’ (Ex. 20:2). To whom is that applicable? Only to the Israelite nation, of course.” See also Deuteronomy 4:8, Romans 9:4, and similar passages, which state specifically that the law was given only to the Israelites.
We would ask: To whom else could the Lord have given the ‘Ten Commandments? To the Egyptians, the Philistines, the Amalekites, the Hittites, the Jebusites, or any other of the many pagan peoples that cursed the earth with their unholy presence? No, you say. God could not make a revelation of Himself to any people until that people were of a mind and heart to hear Him. God found in Abraham and his descendants such a people. Accordingly He gave to them a revelation of His will and ways. Yes, He spoke exclusively that great day at Sinai to a literal people called Israelites, who had been delivered from a literal bondage in Egypt. But, we inquire again: To whom else could He have spoken?

We would further inquire: To whom was God speaking when He gave His great messages through Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and all the mighty prophets of 0ld Testament times? The answer is, To the Israelites. The inspired messages that constitute tile Old Testament were addressed almost wholly to the Jews, and the prophets who delivered the messages were Jews. But does any lover of the Bible wish to suggest that therefore the beautiful messages of salvation in Isaiah, for example, which are so often addressed directly to Jerusalem, are not also addressed to us? We doubt not that many a Christian minister has taken for his text these typical words from Isaiah: “Cry aloud, spare not, lift tip thy voice like a trumpet, and show thy people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” Isa. 58:1. But no listener in the pew is troubled or confused or informs the preacher that the text is addressed to Jews, not Gentiles.

 And who are the writers of the New Testament? With one possible exception they are all Jews. To whom did Christ address virtually all that He said while on earth? To the Jews. To whom is  the Epistle to the Hebrews addressed? Obviously, to Jews. To whom is the Epistle of James addressed?  “To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad.” James 1: 1. But does any Christian have difficulty  with these facts, or feel that any portions of the New Testament are not really for him? No.  In the objection before us, Romans 9:4 is cited. It reads as follows: “Who are Israelites; to whom pertains the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the
service of God, and the promises.” Evidently it is offered as proof because it says that “the giving of the  law” was to them. But it says more than that. The “covenants” also were given to them. Note the plural. Both the old and the new covenant! The new covenant is made with the “house of Israel, and with the house of Judah.” (Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:8.) But does any Christian believe that the new covenant is confined to the believing Jew? No. We all claim a part in it and believe that the new covenant promise
is intended for us as well, even though the announcement of it is addressed directly, and apparently exclusively, to the Jews.  The words of Moses in Deuteronomy 4:8 are also cited. They read as follows: “And what nation is there so great, that bath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?” We would simply say that this statement is a good commentary on Romans 9:4. And we  have found that this verse in Romans proves more than the objector desires. Another inspired comment on Deuteronomy 4:8 is the statement of Christ: “Salvation is of the Jews.” John 4:22. But has any  Christian despised salvation because of this fact?
We must never forget that the revelations and admonitions of the Scriptures are not given in a vacuum. Almost always they are placed in the context of historical events and  flesh-and-blood people. The sermon on the mount has as literally a rocky platform as the address from Sinai. And the multitudes addressed in that sermon were as definitely Jewish as the hosts gathered before Sinai. Often God took occasion in giving a revelation, or invoking a certain course of conduct, to refer to some actual experience through which the listeners had passed. That is one of the marks of Bible revelations. But that fact in itself never troubles any of us, nor prevents us from believing that those counsels of  God’s Word apply to us as well.
 
Now, inasmuch as God worked mighty miracles to draw out of the turbulent sea of paganism a  people for Himself, how appropriate that He should place His eternal revelation to them in the context of the immediate experience that they had miraculously through. Thus they might be prompted to give that revelation maximum weight in their minds and be most diligent in obeying it. Furthermore, that historical context provides a setting that we today, who are also flesh and blood, can understand, and, understanding, be likewise prompted to greater obedience to God. Well does the Bible commentator  Murphy observe on Exodus 20:2: “This [deliverance out of Egypt] in the manner of Scripture and of Providence is the earnest and the guarantee of their deliverance from all other and greater kinds of bondage. The present is the type of a grander future. We must descend the stream of revelation to the New Testament before we fathom the depths of this greatest deliverance.”-JAMES G. MURPHY, Commentary on the Book of Exodus.
Any display of God’s mercy and deliverance to His children at any moment in earth’s history is a reason why those living at that time and those who read of the account in all subsequent ages should serve Him with their whole heart and obey His holy will.

Is Christ the end of Law – Part 4

This is taken from Answers to Objections by F. D Nichol.

Paul states that the “ministration of death, written and engraved in stones” was “done away.” Therefore the ten-commandment law, which was written on the tables of stone, has been done away. (See 2 Cor. 15-11)

Let us see what Paul really did say. The introduction to the passage before us finds Paul declaring to the Corinthian brethren: “You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: forasmuch as you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.” 2 Cor. 3:2, 3.

Here is the key to interpret the words that follow. His figure of speech is patently borrowed from the Scriptural contrast between the old and the new covenant, -Tables of stone- contrasted with “tables of the heart”, “ink” contrasted with “the Spirit of tile living God.” These Corinthians, he said, were “ministered by us.” By an easy transition Paul moves into a discussion of the two covenants by adding immediately that Christ “also hath made us able ministers of the new testament [covenant]; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.” (The word ‘testament’ in this and almost all other instances in the New Testament does not have the meaning of a “will as made by a
testator in anticipation of death, but of covenant, and is so translated in the Revised Version.)

We might close the discussion right here, for our examination of the two covenants revealed clearly that the ratifying of the new covenant did not mean the abolishing of the, Ten Commandments. However, let us proceed.

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraved in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: how shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more does the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excels. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remains is glorious. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vale over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished.” Verses 7-13.

Here is a series of contrasts, intended not so much to belittle the old dispensation as to glorify  the new. It was ever Paul’s studied endeavor to prove that Christ and His ministry are the blazing glory beside which the spiritual glory of the former times seems pale. This argument by contrast particularly marks the book of Hebrews, which was written for the Jewish believers, who, until they accepted Christ, had thought that the glory of Sinai and the ministration of the divine law under the Jewish priests and rulers were the last word in heavenly glory. The contrasts that Paul seeks to make are essentially the same as the contrasts between the old and new covenants:

1. “The ministration of “death” versus ”the ministration of the spirit.”
2. “Ministration of condemnation” versus “ministration of righteousness.”
3. “Letter killes” versus -spirit gives life.”
4. “Was glorious- versus -exceed in glory.”
5. “Done away” versus “remains.”
Numbers one and two are simply variant expressions. The questions before its aie therefore:
1. What are these two ministrations?
2. What is meant by letter and spirit?
3. What is this relative “glory”?
4. What was “done away” and what “remains “?

The objector quickly answers: The “ministration of death” was that which was “written and  engraved in stones,” and is Plainly the Ten Commandments. But not so quickly. Is it correct to speak of a “ministration” and a “law” as synonymous? No. It is correct to speak of the “ministration” or, as we would say, the administering of a law. The administering of the law is the means by which it is put in operation, and is riot to be confused with the law itself. Therefore, “the ministration of death,” or “the ministration of condemnation,” refers to the ministration, or the administering, of the law that was “written and engraved in stones.” 

By a simple figure of speech the law is called death and condemnation. On a certain occasion in Elisha’s day the sons of the prophets gathered with him around a “great pot” in which had been cooked certain “wild gourds.” Evidently the gourds were poisonous, for one of those eating cried out: “There is death in the pot.” (See 2 Kings 1: 38-40) He meant, of course, that there was something in the Pot that would cause death, and substituting cause for effect, he cried out as he died. Paul had earlier said to the Corinthians, “The sting of death is sin: and the strength of sin is the law.” 1 Cor. 15:56. That is, if it were not for the law of God, which condemns those who violate it, there would be no sin, and hence no death in penalty for sin, “for where no law is, there is no transgression.- Rom. 4:15. Thinking on this fact and the contrasting fact that ”the law is holy . . . and
just, and good,” caused Paul to inquire: ”Was then that which is good made death unto me?” Here he speaks of the law as “death.” Now, how does Paul say that we escape from this “ministration of death”,- this “ministration of condemnation”? By abolishing the law of God? Listen to his words:

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not  after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of’ the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God  sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” Rom. 8: 1-4.

We escape from “condemnation” through Jesus Christ, who changes our hearts so that “the  righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us.” Paul describes this changed state as walking “after the Spirit,” and adds that “to be spiritually minded is life and peace.” Verses 5, 6. Here is a state of “condemnation” and “death” changed to one of “no condemnation” but rather “life.” In other words, a ministration of condemnation and death exchanged for a ministration of the spirit and life. How evident that we are here discussing tile two covenants. And how evident also that Paul’s words in Romans 8 parallel his words in 2 Corinthians 3. That is the plain teaching of the Scripture.
The cold letter of the law as it appeared on the stone tables had no life-giving power. It could only point accusingly at every man, for all have sinned and come short of tile glory of God. An administration of the law based on its letter alone results only in death for violators. But an administration of it based on the forgiveness possible through the action of God’s Spirit on the heart results in life. The contrast between “letter” and “spirit” does not mean a contrast between an age of law and an age of freedom from all law. As we have already noted, when God’s Spirit is in control, the law’s requirements are carried out in our hearts.

What, now, of the “glory” mentioned by Paul? He plainly speaks of the relative glory of two ministrations. The justice and righteousness of God shone forth in awesome, even terrifying glory on Mount Sinai as He proclaimed His law. He stood there as a consuming fire. But how much greater the glory of God that bathed the earth with its life-giving rays where Christ came down to “save his people from their sins.” Matt. 1:21. Here was the glory of justice and mercy combined, for in dying for our sins our “transgression of the law” Christ revealed how God at one and the same time could “be just, and the justifier of hint which believes in Jesus.” Rom. 3:26. This brings us to the last question: What was “done away” and what “remains”? The question is really already answered. The glory attendant upon the giving of the law is so greatly excelled by the glory attendant upon the saving of men from its violation that Paul could appropriately speak of the first as -glorious” and the second as “the glory that excels.” But right here Paul weaves in an  incident in connection with the giving of the law at Sinai to illustrate a point that he wishes to make in the verses that immediately follow this disputed passage. When Moses came down from the mount with the tables of stone in his hands, ”the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.” So Moses “put a vale on his face- while he spoke to the Israelites. (See Ex. 34:29-35) Paul refers to this: “The children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away.” 2 Cor. 3:7. He refers to this again in verse 11, saying it was “done away,” and then again in verse 13 in these words: “And not as Moses, which put a vale over his face, that the children of Israel could riot steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished.” It was the glory of the former ministration, now ended, and not the law administered, that was “done away,” “abolished,” even, as by historical analogy, Paul reminds them that it was the glory on Moses’ face that was “done away.” The record declares that the veil was on Moses’ face, not on the tables of stone, that it was his face that shone and riot the tables of stone, and that it was the glory onhis face that faded, not the luster that ever surrounds the divinely written Ten Commandments.

Is Christ the end of Law – Part 3

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Eph 2:15

Paul is not talking about Ten Commandments here because doing so will be contradicting his own statement in Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. The same Greek word καταργέω is translated as void in rom 3:31 and abolished in Eph 2:15. In rom 3:31 Paul writes that we don’t make the law void but we Establish it.

Also See Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.  1 cor 7 : 19. Paul makes a line of distinction between the law of Moses and Commandments of God here. He says keeping of the commandments of does matters.

In Rom 7: 22 He says that ” For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: “, verse 25 he say “So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;” So Paul always served the Law of God.

But in Eph 2:15 He is speaking about the law of commandments contained in ordinances. The greek word used here as ordinances is δόγμα which means the ceremonies. Also see the word occurs only one more time in New testament. It is in Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; The ordinances here are the ceremonies (Drink offering, meat offering, Festival Sabbath)  which were type to the ministry of Christ see Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

To know more on this see http://www.colossians-2-16.com/

Is Christ the end of Law – Part 2

Another passage which is commonly misunderstood and sometimes wrongly translated ( as in Tamil Bible) is Rom 7.

 Rom 7:4,6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;..But now we are delivered from the law,..

This is commonly used as a reason for teaching that we need not keep the Moral Law or Ten commandments. In Tamil Bible it is even translated as we are dead to the Law of God… and delivered from the Law of God.

But Paul is not talking about the Law of God in the Rom 7:1-6. He says we are delivered from the Law of sin and we are dead to the Law of sin.
For I delight in the law of Godafter the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to thelaw of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.Rom 7:22 – 25 Rom 8:1,2 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Is Christ the end of Law – Part 1

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Romans 10:4

The translators of KJV were protestants who didn’t believe the difference between ceremonial Laws (which were shadow of Christ ministration) and the Moral Law (which is everlasting). So they translated the Greek word τέλος telos as  end in Rom 10:4 but the correct translation should be For Christ is the purpose or the focusof the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

See how the word telos is used in other verses

Now the endof the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 1 Timothy 1:5

Receivingthe end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9

..Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord.. James 5:11

just imagine if Christ is the end of Law as some people interpret and teach then I can commit adultery, fornication.

To be continued..

Ellen White Predicts the False Tongues Movement

With reference to the fanatical excitement, which included tongues-speaking, that attended one group of people who set the time of Jesus’ coming at 1854, Ellen White wrote: “Some of these persons have exercises which they call gifts and say that the Lord has placed them in the church. They have an unmeaning gibberish which they call the unknown tongue, which is unknown not only to man but by the Lord and all heaven.Such gifts are manufactured by men and women, aided by the great deceiver. Fanaticism, false excitement, false talking in tongues, and noisy exercises have been considered gifts which God has placed in the church. . . . But the influence of such meetings is not beneficial. When the happy flight of feeling is gone, they sink lower than before the meeting because their happiness did not come from the right source” (Testimony for the Church, vol. 1, p. 412).

As early as 1850, Ellen White was shown the order that existed in heaven and among the angels of God. She was then warned about “the exercises,” and was told that they were “in great danger of being adulterated, . . .therefore implicit confidence could not be placed in these exercises.” She then said, “I saw that we should strive at all times to be free from unhealthy and unnecessary excitement. I saw that there was great danger of leaving the Word of God and resting down and trusting in exercises. I saw that God had moved by His Spirit upon your company in some of their exercises and their promptings; but I saw danger ahead” (Ms 11, 1850, see Manuscript Releases, vol. 5, pp. 226, 227).

“The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit.
“The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere,elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time” (Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 36).

“During those trying days some of our most precious believers were led into fanaticism. I said further that before the end we would see strange manifestations by those who professed to be led by the Holy Spirit. There are those who will treat as something of great importance these peculiar manifestations, which are not of God, but which are calculated to divert the minds of many away from the teaching of the Word” (Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 41).

Those things which have been in the past will be in the future. Satan will make music a snare by the way in which it is conducted” (Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 38)

Gift of Tongues

1. What is the commission of Christ to His Disciples before ascending to heaven?
Mark 16: 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

For the Apostles who were mostly unlearned and ignorant men (Acts 4:13) preaching gospel to every creature in this world will be nearly an impossible task.

Jesus promises a new gift (Which was not given to any man in human history until the day of Pentecost)

Mark 16: 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;   (They will be speaking in new tongues note the word in plural)

2. What happened when the gift of tongues was given?

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Acts 2: 4 -12.

When the gift of tongues was given apostles were able to speak in tongues which they don’t know.

3. What are other incidents when gift of tongues is given when receiving Baptism of Holy Ghost.

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Acts 19: 2-6

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Acts 10: 45, 46

In both the incidents the gift of tongues were given when there were people of different tongues.

4. What happened when people of same tongue received the Baptism of Holy Spirit?

Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.  Acts 8: 15 -17.
We don’t find the account of speaking an unknown tongue here.
5. Is gift of tongues a sign for the believer?
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: 1 cor 14 : 22
We find such experience in cornelius incident. Jews wouldn’t have accepted him a gentile if He has not spoken with them with the gift of tongues.
And they of the circumcisionwhich believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Acts 10: 45 – 47

“For the Jews require a sign” 1 cor 1: 22

Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; Mat 12 : 38 – 39

Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.  John 4:48

They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? John 6:30

6. Do all speak in tongues?

 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 1 cor 12: 17, 29, 30

7. Who decides in which gift we will receive?

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;  1 cor 12:8 (And Paul lists the gifts of Spirit To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: )

8. What is the purpose of this gifts?

Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good 1 cor 12::7 NIV

9. Which are the important gifts we should desire for..

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1 cor 12 : 28

Here Paul puts apostles in the top of the list followed by prophets and puts tongues in the bottom of the list. ( Dowe find some churches putting gift of tongues in top)

1 cor 12 : 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts:

10.  Which is the best of all gifts.

1 cor 12: 31 …. yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. 1 cor 13: 13.. But the greatest of these is love. (NIV)

11. Did Paul spoke in the tongues of angels?

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels 1 cor 13:1

Paul writes in v3 that ‘though I give my body to be burned’ when he was still alives (Besides this he was not burned alive; he was beheaded) Paul in v1 tries to say though he speaks in tongues of angels if he dont have love it profiteth nothing. When comparing v3 it appears v1 doesn’t necessarily mean that he speaks in tongues of Angels.

12. Will Satan deceive God’s people by perfoming counterfeit miracles and healings?

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.  2 cor 11:14

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7: 21,22

Jesus says he never knew them.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 1 Thes 2:9

13. Will Satan counterfeit the gift of tongues also.

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.Rev 16: 13, 14

Apostle John predicts spirits of devils working miracles. These spirits are like frogs. Don’t we see people shouting and leaping like frog and call it as gift of tongues.

14. Will true worship of Jehovah exhibits in shouting and getting excited and emotional.

1 cor 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Do we find Jesus or any of His apostles jumping, shouting and getting excited and emotional in name of Holy Spirit. Do we see such incident in Old testament.

Do we see any incident in which Jesus or apsotles pushing people and calling it ‘slaying in Spirit’ or ‘baptism of fire’

There is only one incident of slaying by Jesus that too at His enemies.

They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.John 18: 5, 6

15. What is the mysteries in 1 cor 14:2

In Verse 1 Paul says He encourages corinthian Church for the gift of prophecy  so that they can edify, exhort and comfort the church (see v3). If anyone speakes in an unknown Tongue and no one is there to interpret what he is speaking (see v27, 28) then whatever He speaks though spiritual will be a mystery to the hearers. (see v16, 19)

Understanding Ellen White’s message on Meat eating

Ellen White gives the below reasons for why we should not eat meat.

I have never felt that it was my duty to say that no one should taste meat under any circumstance. To say this . . . would be carrying matters to extremes.I have never felt that it was my duty to make sweeping assertions. Letter 76 (June 6), 1895.  I advise every Sabbath-keeping canvasser to avoid meat eating, not because it is regarded as sin to eat meat, but because it is not healthful. 

Again and again I have been shown that God is trying to lead us back, step by step, to His original design,–that man should subsist upon the natural products of the earth. Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat-eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view, and endeavor to work steadily toward it.
Two reasons one it is unhealthy and the other God is asking as to go back to the original diet. (I ll be posting an article on this. Is Going back to original diet Biblical? Thorough out the Bible we can see the principles of going back to the blue print.) She writes to say no one should taste meat under any circumstance is carrying matter to extremes.
But Ellen White struggled for many years to leave flesh diet even though she believed and preached it. We should remember this message is from God not from Ellen White.

Since Ellen White ate meat they use this as a reason for rejecting her as a prophet and her message. Let us remember Ellen White is not our example.  Even after coming to the knowledge of  truth it takes time to leave some Old habits. Essential thing is a heart willing to obey. God helps us to obey His principles.

There is real common sense in dietetic reform. The subject should be studied broadly and deeply, and no one should criticize others because their practice is not, in all things, in harmony with his own. It is impossible [in matters of diet] to make an unvarying rule to regulate everyone’s habits, and no one should think himself a criterion for all.  MH 319, 320.

In a letter to a non Adventist she writes.

I am happy to assure you that as a denomination we are in the fullest sense total abstainers from the use of spiritous liquors, wine, beer, [fermented] cider, and also tobacco and all other narcotics. . . . All are vegetarians, many abstaining wholly from the use of flesh food, while others use it in only the most moderate degree.

Ellen White applies the term vegetarian to those who habitually abstained from eating flesh food, yet were not necessarily total abstainers. So Ellwn White is not a hypocrite in teaching vegetarian diet and sometimes eating meat.
It took time for her to leave meat eating. Other wise she took meat when other food is not available or the meat (butter) is from healthy animals.

Since the camp meeting at Brighton (January, 1894) I have absolutely banished meat from my table. It is an understanding that whether I am at home or abroad, nothing of this kind is to be used in my family, or come upon my table. I have had much representation before my mind in the night season on this subject. {CD 488.1}

We purchase butter for cooking purposes from dairies where the cows are in healthy condition, and have good pasture. Counsels on Diet and Foods p. 488
“Two years ago [1894] I came to the conclusion that there was danger in using the flesh of dead animals, and since then I have not used meat at all. It is never placed on my table. I use fish when I can get it. We can get beautiful fish from the saltwater lake near here. I use neither tea nor coffee. As I labor against these things, I cannot but practice that which I know to be best for health, and my family are all in perfect harmony with me. You see, my dear niece, that I am telling you matters just as they are.”

A few weeks after the duck eating experience in the Rockies in October 1873, Elder and Mrs. White were in California and she on February 15, 1874, reported that since they had been in that state they had dropped meat entirely, having “bought meat once for May Walling while she was sick,but not a penny have we expended for meat since.”–Letter 12, 1874, p. 1

Now as to my own experience: Meat seldom appears on my table; for weeks at a time I would not taste it, and after my appetite had been trained, I grew stronger, and could do better work. When I came to the Retreat, I determined not to taste meat, but I could get scarcely anything else to eat, and therefore ate a little meat. . . . {7MR 349.3}

   “Not a morsel of meat or butter has been on my table since I returned.We have milk, fruit, grains, and vegetables. For a time I lost all desire for food. Like the children of Israel, I hankered after flesh meats. But I firmly refused to have meat bought or cooked. I was weak and trembling, as every one who subsists on meat will be when deprived of the stimulus. But now my appetite has returned, I enjoy bread and fruit, my head is generally clear, and my strength firmer. I have none of the goneness so common with meat eaters. I have had my lesson, and, I hope, learned it well. . . .
“In regard to our diet, we have not placed butter on our table for ourselves for years, until we came to the Rocky Mountains. We felt that a little butter, in the absence of vegetables and fruit was less detrimental to health than the use of much salt or sugar, sweet cake and knickknacks. We do not use it now, and have not for many weeks.”–Letter 1, 1873, p. 12
Often while there [at the Rural Health Institute, St. Helena, Calif.] I was compelled to eat meat because there was nothing else that I could eat.At times I would be so faint and dizzy for the want of good wholesome food that I fairly reeled through weakness. [The cook] has not made it her study to prepare wholesome dishes in order that flesh meat as a food may become less and less necessary.–Letter 4, 1884, p. 3. (To Brother and Sister Maxson, February 6, 1884.)