A short discussion with Pentecost Pastors

My mother was a Pentecost before becoming an Adventist. She raised me up in Pentecost faith. There was a non christian girl in my church who became christian. She initially attended a Pentecost church. Her pastor announced her one day that he is going to anoint her with gift of tongues.

He told her to continuously say ‘Praise the Lord’. While she is saying that he asked her to say it faster. While she is saying faster he told her to bend the tongue. As she started blabbering with her tongue folded he said now you are anointed with ‘Gift of Tongues’

She was not convinced of this experience. Eventually when she was given a bible study by an SDA pastor she became an Adventist.

As I grew I became more concerned about this pentecostal movement as millions of people are deceived by their false gift of Tongues and false miracles.

When I meet these pastors I reasoned with them of their belief from scriptures.

One day I was in my aunts place where there were two pastors shouting and praying with what they believed as gift of tongues. Once the prayer was over I started talking with one of the pastor. While conversing I asked about his children. He informed that his son completed his Bachelors in theology in his hometown and now he is sending him to Bangalore city to learn English.

I asked him why he has to send his son to Bangalore to learn English. Since they have the gift of tongues they can speak English with that. With this question both the pastors were shocked and became dumbfounded.

I told them when apostles were given gift of tongues they were able to speak in languages (tongues) which they don’t know.

I have been to many pentecost church where they employed professional translators to translate the sermon in English and in other languages.

Why none of the pastors can speak in other languages with their gift of tongues.

To know more about true gift of tongues.

https://thegladtidingsministry.com/2010/08/29/gift-of-tongues/

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Jehovah Witnesses Visits my Home

Watch Tower Organization's failed prophecy predictions
Watch Tower Organization’s failed prophecy predictions

Couple of years back two Jehovah Witness ladies came to my house upon my invitation.

They asked me why I invited them and what I wanted to discuss.

I asked them “Why you don’t believe that Jesus is God?”

They answered, ‘Does Bible says that Jesus is God?”

I answered “John 1:1 says that Jesus was God”

Now they changed their question from Does Bible says Jesus is God to ‘Does Bible says that Jesus is Almighty God?’

I quoted ” Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ”

(Note: In the previous verse it is Jesus who is addressing himself ‘Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.’ Also in verse 11, Jesus claims to be the Alpha and Omega)

They answered in Watch Towers translation this is made clear that the word Almighty is pointing to God the Father and not Jesus.

“How can an organization makes alteration to word of God to suit their beliefs. I also asked why they substituted words in new testament to ‘Jehovah’ when the name ‘Jehovah’ is not there in the original manuscripts of Greek. ”

To this they answered “you seem to know everything then you don’t need us” and rose up to leave. Since I know the conversation is going to end I asked the final question “How can you trust an organization which repeatedly made failed predictions of the date of Jesus second coming. They repeatedly set dates like 1914, 1918, 1925, 1953 and 1975 and all of which failed. How can I trust this organizations teaching when their interpretations failed and they are changing their position of what they believe.

They left hastily in anger.

In another encounter with a different group they answered “Watchtower made wrong understanding in each circumstances and they failed to listen correctly to Jehovah’s voice and now we have got everything right”

I asked them, ” How can you be sure now that now they understand Jehovah’s voice correctly when they earlier failed to listen to Jehovah’s voice correctly “

A question to non trinity believers

A simple reasoning

According to non trinitarians Jesus came after the Father. So Father is the first being and Jesus is the second being in this universe.

Father claims “I am the first, and I am the last;” and Jesus also claims “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

Is it not a lie; When Jesus being the second person in this universe and first being God the Father how can He claim that He is first like God the Father.

Also God the Father claims “beside me there is no God.”; Bible says that Jesus is God.

Where is the error here. Is it with Trinity or non trinity?

Frequently Asked Questions on Trinity

There are 4 types of doctrines on God

1. SDA and other protestant churches- Believe all 3 persons of Godhead Father, Son and Holy Ghost existed throughout eternity. They are coequal and co-eternal

2. Catholics – Believe God the Father alone existed throughout eternity; Jesus came out of Father; Holy Spirit came out of both Father and Son

3. Arians like Jehovah Witnesses – Believe that God the Father alone existed throughout eternity; Jesus Christ is the first creation of God and Holy Spirit is the Power of God.

4. Semi – Arians like WCG, CLG – Believe that Jesus came out of Father and Holy Spirit is another form of Jesus.

I have tried to cover most of the questions on trinity. Will try to add more questions and answers on this topic.

1. Is Jesus equal with God?

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped (something which has to be possessed), but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross! ! Phil 2:6-8 NIV (1984 edition) Emphasis by me

Paul tells that Jesus left His equality with God and humbled Himself to a lower position

2. Is not Jesus came out of Father because Bible calls Him as begotten?

God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Acts 13:33

The word begotten does n’t necessarily mean ‘gave birth to’. Paul says that Jesus was begotten in that he hath raised up Jesus. For the plan of salvation Jesus, the second person in the Godhead, offered Himself to die as penalty for Sin. It is decided that God will raise up Jesus after His death; in this Jesus was begotten by God as His Son.

Paul didn’t gave birth to anyone but see how he uses the word begotten

For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 1 Cor 4:15

I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds: Phi 1:4

The proclamation in Heb 1:5 shows that Jesus and God existed without the Father and Son relationship before God announced Jesus that He will be His Son.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:5

3. Is not Bible call Jesus as the only begotten son of God. When Jesus is the only person whom God gave birth to and rest were created?

By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son Heb 11:17

Isaac is called as the only begotten son of Abraham when Abraham had another son.

4. Is not Jesus the first born of all creatures?

if you see verses like James 1:18 tells us that the firstfruit among someone need not be the literal first person it can be the best among them.

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. James 1:18

Another example is when 144000 are called the firstfruits among saved.

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. Revelation 14:4

Now if we take the firstfruits to be literal first persons the above passages will give us a contradiction.

Few more examples is when David is called as firstborn among Kings. Psa 89:27 Here the firstborn does not mean that the firstperson who was born as king.

Jesus is called as first born among creatures in col 1:15; does that mean he is the first ‘born’ creation no instead both the passages tell us that they are the best. David among Kings and Jesus among all beings.

After arriving at the conclusion that the firstfruit and firstborn can be the best instead of literal first person let us read

All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the firstfruits of them which they shall offer unto the LORD, them have I given thee. Numbers 18:12

Here the best of the oil, the best of the vine and of the wheat are called the first fruits.

Even though Moses Jud 9 and 24 elders Mat 27:52, 53 had resurrected before Jesus; Jesus is the first fruit among them because he is the best.

5. Why He is considered as a creature in Col 1:15

The reason being; He became a created being; From someone equal with God; He created Himself to be a humble being.

We know from John 1:3 that Jesus created Himself.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

All created things are created by him; There is no created thing which is not created by him. If Jesus is a created being then logically according to John 1:3 Jesus created Himself.

6. Is not Jesus the beginning of creation of God (Rev 3:14) ?

Answer to question 5 answers question 6 also. Jesus created himself to be an Angel Michael -the first created being.

7. Is not Holy Spirit the spirit of God and not a separate being?

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Rom 8:26,27

The Holy Spirit makes intercession for the saints and God hears what the Spirit is praying for He (Spirit) makes intercession according to the will of God.

8. Does not Bible refer the Father alone as God?

It does always refer Father as God. It is because the triune Godhead foresaw the rise of sin and decided to put forth the plan of redemption. Sin is the transgression of God’s law. God’s law is expression of His Character. Opposite to God’s character is evil. Sin is evil. The plan of redemption is this. God made universal law which is the expression of His character. As long as the created beings reflect His character of love there will be universal peace and harmony among His subjects. When His Laws are broken then there will be chaos and sufferings. These 3 eternal beings foresaw that. So one of them became an Angel called Michael. He is the Chief of all Angels – The Archangel. He will be subject to the law and serve God and set an example to others. When other created beings see that God Himself is subject to the law and will learn how delightful and mandatory it is. The third person of Godhead will work from the heart of create beings and help them to obey the law and reflect God’s character. He will be the representative of Godhead among living beings. Christ will be the representative of living beings in the Godhead.

Psalms 2 teaches us this

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

(It talks about the rise of sin)

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

(It talks about the plan of salvation made)

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.

(The plan of salvation is made and Jesus was begotten as son for the plan of Salvation. Jesus will die as penalty: and God would raise Jesus from dead. Also refer question # 2)

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

(Holy Spirit speaking here; This speaks of the role of Holy Spirit; He brings people to God and warn them of Judgement)

9. Did not Isaiah tells that besides God there is no other God?

If you use that statement to teach that Jesus is not God then we will be contradicting lot of other statements.For example John 1:1 says that Jesus is God. In Isa 43 the Godhead is speaking for themselves addressing with the common name Jehovah.

In Isaiah God claims that “I am the first, and I am the last;” and Jesus also claims “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

10. How do we know that there 3 persons in Godhead?

2 cor 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Matthew 28 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the… Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 3 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1 John 5 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.(Is it true that 1 John 5:7 is not in any Greek manuscript before the 1600s? If it is true, why is it there in the King James Bible? (Check: http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/1john57.asp)

11. Did not Jesus promise to return as another comforter which is Holy Spirit. It is Jesus Himself who came since He promised to return?

John 14 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (Jesus is a comforter and He is sending another comforter)

John 16 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. .. 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear [from Father] , that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. (Holy Spirit takes from Jesus and speaks)

Jesus said when His discplies saw Jesus they saw the Father similiarly Jesus abides with us through the third person of Godhead – Holy Spirit who is His representative. That is why He is called as the Spirit of Jesus.

The History of Jehovah Witnesses

 
The below history is taken from the book “Our Friends: The Jehovah Witnesses”

*1874. Pastor Russell and his group of Bible Students are disappointed when Christ did not return as expected.

*1878. They are again disappointed when the Resurrection does not take place but then teach that both events did take place – but were invisible.

1879. Zion’s Watchtower and Herald of Christ’s Presence commenced to teach these new found ‘truths’.

1886. First volume of the Millennial Dawn series published. Later called Studies in the Scriptures.

*1914. Armageddon and the End of the World does not take place nor any of the other events as foretold.

*1915. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob etc. are not resurrected as predicted.

1916. Pastor Russell dies and is succeeded as president by Judge J.F. Rutherford.

1917. The Finished Mystery confirms the *1874 and *1878 dates. It foretells the *1918, *1920 and *1925 dates.

*1918. Christendom and its churches were not destroyed as foretold.

*1920. The republics did not disappear as had been foretold.

Millions Now Living Will Never Die, foretells the resurrection in * 1925 of Abraham and the Princes of old.

1924. The Way to Paradise foretells how after* 1925 people can call up Abraham in Jerusalem and apply to have their loved ones resurrected.

*1925. It had prophesied that in 1925 theKingdom would be set up on the earthand Abraham, Isaac and Jacob etc.would be resurrected to administer it. The mansion “Beth Sarim” (shown in the above picture) was built in California for them to occupy eventhough the book The Way to Paradisep. 225 had described how Abraham would live. None of the foretold events come to pass.

1928. The pyramid prophecies condemned

(During the decade well over 100 teachings of “truth” have been discarded or altered.)

1929. Beth Sarim is built.

1931. The name Jehovah’s Witnesses adopted.

1935. Vaccinations condemned.

1942. Rutherford dies in Beth Sarirn. N. H. Knorr becomes president.

1945. Blood transfusions begin to be condemned.

1950. THE NEW WORLD BIBLE

The first edition of the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures appeared in 1950. It was the work of their own Translation Committee. Only one, Fred Franz, had sufficient knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt a translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years but was only self taught in Hebrew.

They used the master Greek text of Westcott and Hort which is based on only 5% of the manuscripts which included the Vaticanus and Sinaticus. These two corrupted manuscripts commissioned by Constantine leave out thousands of words and whole clauses. They contained the Aprocrapha which supports prayers for the dead.

Westcott and Hort did not believe in teachings such as Creation, Heaven, the Second Coming, miracles or inviting people to receive Christ as Savior.

On the other hand they believed in Mary worship, prayers for the dead, purgatory, communism, in contacting demons, and decided between variant readings on the basis of their “inner consciousness”.

The New World Bible is described as a “biased” translation. (And not original manuscripts as many believe)

1952. Vaccinations are now allowed, but not blood transfusions.

1966. Baptisms are at an all time low so the new date of *1975 is set for the End.

1967. Organ transplants are termed “cannibalism” and forbidden.

1969. The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures. It reveals many contradictions and errors in the New World Bible.

1972. April 1, Watchtower, claims the Watchtower Society is Jehovah’s Prophet.

*1975. “The wicked world’s end” does not come as expected.

1977. N. H. Knorr dies after witnessing the devastating effect of the *1975 date failure. He is succeeded by Frederick W. Franz.

1978. The Society suffers a -1.4% membership loss as a result of *1975.

1980. Organ transplants allowed.

1983. Raymond Franz writes Crisis of Conscience. It destroys faith in the organization, as it reveals many ‘inside’ problems and errors.

THE 1914 GENERATION

For many years the Watchtower Society taught Armageddon would occur within a generation of 1914. The following illustration was often used in its publications: Some of the people of 1914 will live to see the end

1984. The Watchtower, May 15 has an article, 1914 – The Generation That Will Not Pass Away. It is still teaching that the End will come within a generation from 1914.

1989. You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth (1989 ed.) page 154, has this illustration: People of 1914 will see the end.

1995 The 1914 Generation are now over 80 years of age. The Biblical “lifetime” – (not merely “generation”) of “threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years…” (Psalms 90:10) had now been exceeded. Again the Society is in trouble. So in The Watchtower, November 1, page 17, it announced: “…the term ‘generation’ as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period…”

1996. With this new “truth” the urgency of the generation limitation was gone and worldwide service hours dropped this year by 10 million.

2001. Membership increase only 1.7%. Service figures the lowest in years.

2002. Many European countries reporting losses.

2003. Only 258,845 baptised. This is the lowest figure for 15 years.

 

Amazing truth about Michael the Arch Angel

Introduction

Michael is one of the angels whose name is given in the Bible. Lucifer and Gabriel are other the two angels whose name is given.

Michael is called the prince of Daniel. Daniel 10:21. There are many interpretations given by theologians to understand why Michael is called the Prince of God’s people.

“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people–everyone whose name is found written in the book–will be delivered. Daniel 12:1 NIV (Emphasis by me)

Why Michael is referred as the one who protects God’s people.

Jacob also talks about an Angel who redeemed him from all troubles.

The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. Genesis 48:16 KJV (emphasis by me). Note that ‘A’ in Angel is in uppercase.

Jacob is praying that ‘this Angel’ should bless the lads.

This Angel could be none other than Michael the great prince who protects God’s people (Dan 12:1)

An angel who was worshipped

And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? And the captain of the LORD’s host said unto Joshua,Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. Joshua 5:13-15

This angel accepts worship unlike other angels who warned humans not to worship them. Rev 22:8,9

Who is this angel who accepts worship

An Angel who was referred as God.

And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred. (Gen. 31:11-13) Emphasis supplied.

And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Gen. 32:27-30)

Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us. (Hos. 12:4)

Jacob said he wrestled with God, but Hosea said he wrestled with the “Angel.” They must be one and the same.

Who is this angel whom Bible refers as God.

An Angel who address Himself as Jehovah

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. (Ex. 3:2-4)

And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this?Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. (Jdg. 2:1-3)

Again we have an “Angel” speaking as if He is God, this time to quite a few people all at once.

And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. . . . This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. . . . This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us. (Acts 7:30, 35, 38)

Moses spoke with an Angel in mount Sinai. Is not it with God Moses spoke in Mount Sinai.

And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. . . . And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. (Gen. 22:11, 12, 15-18)

Is it God speaking here or an Angel?

And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me? (Gen. 16:9-13)

And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. (Gen. 21:17, 18)

And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: Gen 18:1-3

Twice we have the “Angel” of the LORD speaking to Hagar as if He Himself is the Lord.

Of the 3 men who visited Abraham one is Lord.

And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; 8Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. Gen 18:16-22

Who is this Angel who is called Jehovah and addresses as God.

Bible Calls both Jesus and John the Baptist as angels

Behold, I will send my messenger [mal’ak, the Hebrew word for “angel”], and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger [again, the Hebrew word is mal’ak] of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. (Mal. 3:1-3)

For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Mat. 11:10, 11)

As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. (Mark 1:2)

He began to speak unto the people concerning John. . . . This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. (Luke 7:24, 27)

Jesus Christ is the Chief Messenger (Arch Angel) of the Triune Godhead or Trinity.

The Hebrew word malak (found 103 times in the OT) simply means “messenger”,” and hence employed to denote any agent God sends forth to execute his purposes. It is used of an ordinary messenger (Job 1:14: 1 Sam. 11:3; Luk 7:24; 9:52), of prophets (Isa 42:19; Hag 1:13), of priests (Mal 2:7), and ministers of the New Testament (Rev 1:20).

Is Jesus and Michael are the same person

Paul says that Jesus will come with the voice of the Arch Angel “The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (1 Thessalonians 4:16).”

Moreover the meaning of the Michael is “One who is like God”. Bible tells us that Jesus is the one who is like God.

Hebrews 1: . . .”3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being

phi 2:6Who, being in the form of God,

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Conclusion

Michael is not a created being; but just another name of Christ, the second person of Godhead a.k.a Trinity. PreIncarnate Jesus assumed the role of the chief messenger (Arch Angel) of the God head.

Objections:

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1. Michael is just one of the chief princes. If it is Lord then He cant be just one of the chief princes.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Dan 10:13

Youngs Literal Translation translated Dan 10:13 like this

“‘And the head of the kingdom of Persia is standing over-against me twenty and one days, and lo,Michael, first of the chief heads, hath come in to help me, and I have remained there near the kings of Persia”

Michael is not just one of the chief princes but first of the chief princes.

2. By saying that Michael and Jesus are the same person you are saying that Jesus is a created being

Jesus Christ is not a created being but the creator of all things.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

Jesus Christ incarnated Himself to be a man that does not make Him as a human. He is the creator God who made Himself as the Chief Messenger of God Head a.k.a Trinity