The Investigative and Millennial Judgment.

Dan 7:9  I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Dan 7:10  A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

So the judgment happens after the reign of 4th beast power. that is after 1798. This judgment is investigative in nature. There terms like the judgment was set and books were opened shows us that the judgment was investigative in nature.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

So the blotting out of sins from the records we saw in Dan 7:10 happens in future.

This judgement should be only for saints, why?

1Pe 4:17  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Bible says Judgment begins in the house of God i.e., righteous will be judged first.

The judgment of the wicked happens in the millennium.

1Co 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

So the saints judge both the wicked men and fallen angels

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The saints judge the wicked in the millennium.

The wicked who will be part of second resurrection will be receiving their punishment after the third coming of Lord.

Rev 20:9  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 20:12  And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Bible tells that Jesus’s second coming won’t be secret

Did early church Fathers or protestant reformers believed in coming of Jesus will be secret?

No, this doctrine was not taught by early church Fathers and protestant reformers

Is there any biblical base for secret rapture doctrine?

Bible talks about Jesus coming unexpectedly (suddenly) without any information but there is no single Bible verse which tells that Jesus coming will be secret.

If it is not taught by early church Fathers and protestant reformers and neither it is found in the Bible then how did this come into christianity?

Protestant reformation movement believed and taught that Pope is the antiChrist. The catholic church wanted to divert this charge of Pope as antichrist by turning away the focus of antichrist into future.

Jesuit doctor of theology, Francisco Ribera, in his book Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarij proposed that the prophetical periods of 1260 days, 42 months and three and half years into future and do not apply to Papacy.

(Please visit to understand what protestant reformers believed on AntiChrist based on
the prophetical periods of 1260 days, 42 months and three and half years)

Manuel De Lacunza (1731-1801), a Jesuit priest from Chile, also advocated futurism in his manuscript entitled La Venida del Mesias en Gloria y Magestad (“The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty”). Writing under the assumed name of Juan Josafa (Rabbi) Ben-Ezra, Lacunza hoped to obscure the fact that he was a Catholic, in order to give his book better acceptance in Protestantism. Church of Scotland minister, named Edward Irving, was influenced by this book and translated it.

John Darby, an Englishman and pioneer of the “Plymouth Brethren” movement became caught up in the rapture philosophies of Irving. When Darby heard about Irving’s activities, he traveled to Scotland to talk with Irving and his followers about the “secret rapture”. It was Darby who became the master developer of “scriptural” arguments to support the theory/doctrine that evolved.

Darby’s development of the “rapture” theory has since become widely popularized in Britain and finally in the U.S., largely as a result of Cyrus Scofield’s notes in his Scofield Reference Bible.

What manner of coming will be Jesus second coming?


Bible tells us that second coming of Jesus when the saints gets resurrected will be loud, noisy and the whole world including the wicked will see it. It will be an unexpected event but not a secret event. The dead in Christ will rise up on this day.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Note. 1. The day will be unexpected for the Lord comes like a thief 2. heavens shall pass away with great noise

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Note. 1. Lord will descend with a shout and with the trump. 2. The dead in Christ shall rise first.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Note: 1. The trumpet will sound. Trumpet ofcourse is a very loud instrument 2. The dead in Christ will rise up.

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