A short discussion with Pentecost Pastors

My mother was a Pentecost before becoming an Adventist. She raised me up in Pentecost faith. There was a non christian girl in my church who became christian. She initially attended a Pentecost church. Her pastor announced her one day that he is going to anoint her with gift of tongues.

He told her to continuously say ‘Praise the Lord’. While she is saying that he asked her to say it faster. While she is saying faster he told her to bend the tongue. As she started blabbering with her tongue folded he said now you are anointed with ‘Gift of Tongues’

She was not convinced of this experience. Eventually when she was given a bible study by an SDA pastor she became an Adventist.

As I grew I became more concerned about this pentecostal movement as millions of people are deceived by their false gift of Tongues and false miracles.

When I meet these pastors I reasoned with them of their belief from scriptures.

One day I was in my aunts place where there were two pastors shouting and praying with what they believed as gift of tongues. Once the prayer was over I started talking with one of the pastor. While conversing I asked about his children. He informed that his son completed his Bachelors in theology in his hometown and now he is sending him to Bangalore city to learn English.

I asked him why he has to send his son to Bangalore to learn English. Since they have the gift of tongues they can speak English with that. With this question both the pastors were shocked and became dumbfounded.

I told them when apostles were given gift of tongues they were able to speak in languages (tongues) which they don’t know.

I have been to many pentecost church where they employed professional translators to translate the sermon in English and in other languages.

Why none of the pastors can speak in other languages with their gift of tongues.

To know more about true gift of tongues.

https://thegladtidingsministry.com/2010/08/29/gift-of-tongues/

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Ellen White Predicts the False Tongues Movement

With reference to the fanatical excitement, which included tongues-speaking, that attended one group of people who set the time of Jesus’ coming at 1854, Ellen White wrote: “Some of these persons have exercises which they call gifts and say that the Lord has placed them in the church. They have an unmeaning gibberish which they call the unknown tongue, which is unknown not only to man but by the Lord and all heaven.Such gifts are manufactured by men and women, aided by the great deceiver. Fanaticism, false excitement, false talking in tongues, and noisy exercises have been considered gifts which God has placed in the church. . . . But the influence of such meetings is not beneficial. When the happy flight of feeling is gone, they sink lower than before the meeting because their happiness did not come from the right source” (Testimony for the Church, vol. 1, p. 412).

As early as 1850, Ellen White was shown the order that existed in heaven and among the angels of God. She was then warned about “the exercises,” and was told that they were “in great danger of being adulterated, . . .therefore implicit confidence could not be placed in these exercises.” She then said, “I saw that we should strive at all times to be free from unhealthy and unnecessary excitement. I saw that there was great danger of leaving the Word of God and resting down and trusting in exercises. I saw that God had moved by His Spirit upon your company in some of their exercises and their promptings; but I saw danger ahead” (Ms 11, 1850, see Manuscript Releases, vol. 5, pp. 226, 227).

“The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit.
“The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere,elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time” (Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 36).

“During those trying days some of our most precious believers were led into fanaticism. I said further that before the end we would see strange manifestations by those who professed to be led by the Holy Spirit. There are those who will treat as something of great importance these peculiar manifestations, which are not of God, but which are calculated to divert the minds of many away from the teaching of the Word” (Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 41).

Those things which have been in the past will be in the future. Satan will make music a snare by the way in which it is conducted” (Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 38)

Gift of Tongues

1. What is the commission of Christ to His Disciples before ascending to heaven?
Mark 16: 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

For the Apostles who were mostly unlearned and ignorant men (Acts 4:13) preaching gospel to every creature in this world will be nearly an impossible task.

Jesus promises a new gift (Which was not given to any man in human history until the day of Pentecost)

Mark 16: 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;   (They will be speaking in new tongues note the word in plural)

2. What happened when the gift of tongues was given?

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Acts 2: 4 -12.

When the gift of tongues was given apostles were able to speak in tongues which they don’t know.

3. What are other incidents when gift of tongues is given when receiving Baptism of Holy Ghost.

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Acts 19: 2-6

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Acts 10: 45, 46

In both the incidents the gift of tongues were given when there were people of different tongues.

4. What happened when people of same tongue received the Baptism of Holy Spirit?

Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.  Acts 8: 15 -17.
We don’t find the account of speaking an unknown tongue here.
5. Is gift of tongues a sign for the believer?
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: 1 cor 14 : 22
We find such experience in cornelius incident. Jews wouldn’t have accepted him a gentile if He has not spoken with them with the gift of tongues.
And they of the circumcisionwhich believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.  For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Acts 10: 45 – 47

“For the Jews require a sign” 1 cor 1: 22

Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; Mat 12 : 38 – 39

Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.  John 4:48

They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? John 6:30

6. Do all speak in tongues?

 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 1 cor 12: 17, 29, 30

7. Who decides in which gift we will receive?

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;  1 cor 12:8 (And Paul lists the gifts of Spirit To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: )

8. What is the purpose of this gifts?

Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good 1 cor 12::7 NIV

9. Which are the important gifts we should desire for..

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1 cor 12 : 28

Here Paul puts apostles in the top of the list followed by prophets and puts tongues in the bottom of the list. ( Dowe find some churches putting gift of tongues in top)

1 cor 12 : 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts:

10.  Which is the best of all gifts.

1 cor 12: 31 …. yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. 1 cor 13: 13.. But the greatest of these is love. (NIV)

11. Did Paul spoke in the tongues of angels?

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels 1 cor 13:1

Paul writes in v3 that ‘though I give my body to be burned’ when he was still alives (Besides this he was not burned alive; he was beheaded) Paul in v1 tries to say though he speaks in tongues of angels if he dont have love it profiteth nothing. When comparing v3 it appears v1 doesn’t necessarily mean that he speaks in tongues of Angels.

12. Will Satan deceive God’s people by perfoming counterfeit miracles and healings?

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.  2 cor 11:14

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7: 21,22

Jesus says he never knew them.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 1 Thes 2:9

13. Will Satan counterfeit the gift of tongues also.

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.Rev 16: 13, 14

Apostle John predicts spirits of devils working miracles. These spirits are like frogs. Don’t we see people shouting and leaping like frog and call it as gift of tongues.

14. Will true worship of Jehovah exhibits in shouting and getting excited and emotional.

1 cor 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Do we find Jesus or any of His apostles jumping, shouting and getting excited and emotional in name of Holy Spirit. Do we see such incident in Old testament.

Do we see any incident in which Jesus or apsotles pushing people and calling it ‘slaying in Spirit’ or ‘baptism of fire’

There is only one incident of slaying by Jesus that too at His enemies.

They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.John 18: 5, 6

15. What is the mysteries in 1 cor 14:2

In Verse 1 Paul says He encourages corinthian Church for the gift of prophecy  so that they can edify, exhort and comfort the church (see v3). If anyone speakes in an unknown Tongue and no one is there to interpret what he is speaking (see v27, 28) then whatever He speaks though spiritual will be a mystery to the hearers. (see v16, 19)